Tony Scott: 0:21

Welcome to The Jay Franze Show, a behind-the-curtain look at the entertainment industry, with insights you can't pay for and stories you've never heard. Now here's your host, Jay Franze.

Jay Franze: 0:49

And we are coming at you live. I am Jay Franze and this is your backstage pass to the music industry Joining me tonight folks is the dolly to my Kenny, my beautiful co-host and well pain in ass Miss Tiffany

Tiffany Mason: 1:06

Mason hey, Jay, ready for another wild Wednesday episode.

Jay Franze: 1:09

I'm gonna do my best. My friend, if you are new to this show, this is your source for the latest news, reviews and interviews. So if you would like to join in, comment, comment or fire off any questions, please head over to jayfranze. com and if you feel froggy enough to join our show, it's jayfranze. com/live. Before we get started, my friend, let me tell you what the question of the day is. Question of the day Feel free to put this in the comments. Folks. Bands that should have been bigger, underrated bands, we should say so. Put that in the comments. Folks. Bands that should have been bigger, underrated bands, we should say so. Put that in the comments. We will get to that a little later this evening, Miss Tiffany. We have a special guest with us tonight.

Tiffany Mason: 1:52

I know I'm very excited.

Jay Franze: 1:54

We have a country music recording artist. We have Trey Calloway, and I'm going to go ahead and bring him on right now what's up y'all?

Trey Calloway: 2:04

how y'all doing? How are you, buddy, doing? Fantastic man. I'm I'm glad to be, I'm just happy to be here, jay, I'm holding on for dear life, buddy we are happy to have you.

Jay Franze: 2:15

We are, sir. You've been here before, so there's no need for the pleasantries.

Trey Calloway: 2:21

You're family now I'm a veteran. Now you are Pulling my hat down.

Jay Franze: 2:26

We will be picking on you all night long, all right, sounds good. Sounds good, but before we get into the picking, why don't you just go ahead and start off by telling us about your new music?

Trey Calloway: 2:35

So I'm here telling you guys about my brand new single. I got a song coming out called your Love is Safe With Me on the 7th and, man, I'm super excited about this one. It's kind of coming on the tail of me just getting married back in October. It's just perfect timing. Valentine's Day love song. Wrote it with my buddy, david, and I'm really excited for everybody to hear it. Been getting good response lately Already. It's been getting good response.

Tiffany Mason: 2:59

So now can I ask a question? Of course I listened to your episode with jay. When you were on before and you met in july, you had an hour session. You co-wrote your christmas song yeah so now you got your valentine's day song. Did you meet in december or november for that, and did you also crank this out in an hour?

Trey Calloway: 3:22

So yeah, actually I believe this song was written before the Christmas song was written. So the Christmas song was kind of like hey, trey, we need a Christmas song. You got to write one. We've already booked you the recording session. You're going to be there in two days, so you know, call up one of your amazing songwriter buddies and write the song. So that's what we did. And I mean, you know, I wanted to write a song that wasn't, you know, jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. I wanted to write something that had some heart to it. So we wrote Christmas with you and wrote it with JP Williams the guy that wrote Horses in Heaven with me as well. It turned out great.

Trey Calloway: 4:01

I'm so proud of that Christmas song. That's a Christmas song I'm really proud of. But your Love Is Safe With Me was actually written beforehand, I believe recorded before too. We've had it recorded for a while now. It's just, you know, once you, when you start working on projects, the recordings they stack up. You know you're kind of sitting on a bunch of them and you're saying, hey, this is going to be the next single, and then this single, after that A lot of the songs from the One In man album. I was sitting on them for half a year going.

Trey Calloway: 4:31

I'm so ready for the world to hear these?

Jay Franze: 4:33

You mentioned JP last time. I've got to call him up and get him on here. I've known him forever, We've been in the studio together and he's just not come on the show yet.

Trey Calloway: 4:42

We'll call him up tonight.

Jay Franze: 4:43

Yeah.

Trey Calloway: 4:44

See what he's up to.

Jay Franze: 4:45

Remind me a little later. We'll ring him up right now Sounds good. That'd be funny. What studio did you record the song in?

Trey Calloway: 4:53

So we did your Love is Safe With Me at Saxman, where we did the Wanted man album as well. I'm working on a new album now, man. We jumped right back into it as soon as the Wanted man album came out. We had your Love Is Safe With Me, and we've got two other songs in the can that are getting ready to be released as well. So, man, we didn't take any kind of break or anything. Jay, they're working me Like I told you, they're working me to death man, Loving every second of it.

Jay Franze: 5:25

man I this is what I've always wanted and dreamed of and worked hard my whole life for so it's, it's starting to roll.

Trey Calloway: 5:28

Is the same team on this project? It is, it is, you know we're. We're a weld old machine at this point. You know, I'm proud of all the people that are in my corner and they work really hard for me.

Tiffany Mason: 5:35

I have a podcast as well. Trey and I interview people about songs and memories that come with them and sometimes we talk about, you know, when they sing along to the song or whatever right, and you, being the artist, you have to perform the songs a million times. So thinking about your Love is Safe With Me. What are some of the lyrics? And if I can make it two parts, does that make you miss your wife more? Or is that kind of comforting for you?

Trey Calloway: 6:02

Yes and no. So to answer your first question, my favorite line in that song is in the chorus, where it says when I'm loving you over and over, when we're married and children get older.

Tony Scott: 6:13

I mean.

Trey Calloway: 6:13

I think that's the ultimate test of whether love is going to last. Am I going to be there when you're old and gray you know what I mean and you can't hardly walk anymore and you need somebody to help you pick up your fork or whatever after you're done eating? Or are you going to be there for me and and am I going to be there for you? I think that's the ultimate test of love and I think I have that with Raina.

Tiffany Mason: 6:36

If you stay married for long enough, you may be the reason the other one can't walk.

Jay Franze: 6:40

I mean, she's definitely the reason, the other one's great she's.

Trey Calloway: 6:43

She's definitely going to outlive me, so I want to answer the second part of your question.

Tony Scott: 6:52

Please. It makes me miss her very, very much.

Trey Calloway: 6:53

I miss her all the time because I think I told Jay before, she lives in Myrtle Beach, south Carolina. I live here in Nashville. We both are. While we're young, we're chasing our dreams and trying to make our careers happen. She's a civil engineer. She's trying to conquer the world via the corporate ladder and I'm trying to conquer the world via a guitar. You know what I mean. So it's a tough life that her and I are living, but we support each other and we're in this together. And then, to comment on what we were just talking about, she's definitely going to outlive me. She gets upset when I bring it up. She's like no baby, you have to live to be 100. And I'm like there's no way.

Jay Franze: 7:33

I'm shooting for 110.

Trey Calloway: 7:35

I'm shooting for dude, I'll be lucky if I hit 80,. Jay, If I get to 80, I'll be happy.

Jay Franze: 7:40

I want to be 110. That's my goal.

Trey Calloway: 7:43

Me too. Well, not to mention I have six years on her. She's six years younger than me, okay so?

Jay Franze: 7:48

I'm also dealing with that.

Trey Calloway: 7:50

I'm also dealing with that too.

Jay Franze: 7:51

You met when you were 16? I remember that story.

Trey Calloway: 7:54

No, no, she was just out of college, though. She was just out of college when her and I met. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have an agreement in our marriage where I have always told him I die first.

Tiffany Mason: 8:07

You can make it without me, but I can't make without you.

Trey Calloway: 8:09

I'm like you die, I die first. I think she feels that same way, I think she feels that same way.

Jay Franze: 8:15

You know, it's like it's close to valentine's day, isn't it? Look at you guys. I'm talking about my. I'm just glad she's far away. Babe, if you're listening, it's just a joke.

Tiffany Mason: 8:29

He's going to come home with a dozen roses and he's going to be serenading.

Trey Calloway: 8:33

Your love is safe with me all the way, I had somebody ask me if they think it's going to be the ultimate wedding song. Hey, if people want to play it at their wedding, that would make me so happy. I mean honestly God. If you get one of those wedding songs, man, you're in like Flynn, you know.

Tony Scott: 8:49

You're in. You remember that song.

Trey Calloway: 8:52

You remember that song? I loved her first.

Jay Franze: 8:55

I held her.

Trey Calloway: 8:56

That was like a big, giant wedding song the Daddy-Daughter. Dance Heartland. Heartland was the name of the band.

Tony Scott: 9:02

It's a great tune, man. They still play that song at weddings.

Trey Calloway: 9:06

I still play that song. That's the father-daughter dance of the century, right there.

Jay Franze: 9:11

Do you have any plans on moving in together at any point?

Trey Calloway: 9:19

You know, of course we do. Basically, what we keep saying is you know? We keep saying, is you know? We keep saying, hey, you know, let's meet back up, let's, let's reconvene at the end of the year and see what's going on. And it's like at the end of each year it's like, man trey, your career is really getting some momentum, you're really doing well. Her career is really gaining some momentum. You're really doing well, baby, all right. Well, maybe we can make it another year.

Tony Scott: 9:41

Maybe we can just keep doing what we're doing for a year.

Trey Calloway: 9:45

Maybe we can do it for another year.

Tiffany Mason: 9:47

It's in those hard times and supporting one another, that you kind of show, that commitment and that love grows a little bit deeper.

Trey Calloway: 9:54

So I say kudos, tiffany. Her and I are closer. She's my best friend, I mean, we're closer than I've ever been with anybody in my life, and even with the distance, you know what I mean. So that's how you know. The distance ain't really a thing, it's just what it is, because her and I talk the way you and I we're all talking right now. We talk every day. Yeah, she's my best friend, you know. So the distance does hurt and we would love to live together. It's like let's do this now, let's sacrifice now, while we're young still and can really do this, because I don't think she wants to live with a 70-year-old man who is bitter and regrets that he gave up on his dream.

Jay Franze: 10:36

Oh for sure, you know what?

Trey Calloway: 10:36

I mean, I think that's also in her mind too, that she's like I don't want to be the reason he gives up.

Tiffany Mason: 10:42

I've got to be honest. I mean I feel a little jealous, like every reunion's got to be kind of amazing yeah.

Trey Calloway: 10:49

I mean, she's the best, especially being the movie one. I can't divulge too much, but she's the best. Do you have any kids watching, Jay? No Kids, it's time to go to bed. Time to go to bed.

Jay Franze: 11:02

Why do you think we don't start until 10?

Tiffany Mason: 11:03

I don't know. We never know what's going to come out of Jay's mouth, tiffany takes this show on a left turn almost every week.

Trey Calloway: 11:11

Tiffany, where were you the last time we were here? She? Was fired, sleeping probably, oh no we fire her once a week. You guys are on Is it two strikes? You guys are already on your second strike.

Tiffany Mason: 11:28

The 26th strike yeah. Very cool, you can't quit me.

Jay Franze: 11:31

No these are great questions.

Trey Calloway: 11:33

These are great questions. These are great. I appreciate you guys asking.

Jay Franze: 11:36

Sir, we love having you here. Do you think you'd stick around for the rest of our show tonight?

Trey Calloway: 11:40

I don't see why not. I don't see why not.

Jay Franze: 11:43

You can stick around, we'll call you a co-host.

Trey Calloway: 11:45

I'll go to sleep. If you're talking about, we're going to be on air until 1 o'clock in the morning. Well, yeah, it's only four more hours, don't worry about it, buddy, I might wake up in the end of the show and say bye to everybody.

Jay Franze: 12:01

This is not eight seconds tonight, buddy, it's eight hours Can you hold? On for eight hours.

Trey Calloway: 12:06

Can you ride this thing for eight hours? Four hours is our normal show.

Jay Franze: 12:09

Oh yeah, that's right, I got it. Let's do it, I'm ready, let's do four hours. All right, Miss Tiffany, let's get into this. Last week we talked about the Grammys. We had our predictions, we had our thoughts. Well, obviously, those times have passed and Trey's already closing his mouth there.

Trey Calloway: 12:30

I'll wait until you ask me a question about it. It's going to be rough, buddy. It's going to be rough. I'll wait until you ask me a question about it All right.

Jay Franze: 12:38

First thing we're going to talk about is album of the year. Album of the year we talked about all the people in. I'm not going to get too far into that tonight, but it was won by beyonce, do we think? Cowboy carter is the album of the year tiffany, you go first, that's all you that's all you.

Tiffany Mason: 12:57

I just say garbage. Two thumbs down. I'm trying to look up that meme that I sent you earlier.

Trey Calloway: 13:03

No, I have to see this meme.

Tiffany Mason: 13:07

I'm working on it.

Jay Franze: 13:09

This is why we keep her around, buddy.

Trey Calloway: 13:10

Well, I'll put my two cents in, please. I like this Texas Hold'em song. I think it's a pretty good song.

Tony Scott: 13:16

Yes.

Trey Calloway: 13:17

I think Beyonce is an incredibly talented person and I'm being as genuine with this answer as I possibly can be. I've thought a lot about it. I've talked a lot about this. I think that she is one of the most talented artists that's probably ever lived. I think she deserves her fame and she deserves her fortunes and she deserves to be where she is and who she is. I think that the main reason people are upset about her winning the Album of the Year in country is because she has devoted her entire life and career to the genre, the way, say, lainey Wilson or Chris Stapleton or any of them, any country artists that's been in country their whole life. I think even she, hopefully, could agree with what I'm saying. You know what I mean, so that's, I'll tell you what, trey?

Tiffany Mason: 14:11

when you turned around, you got that hat on, and when you turned around, that hair. Oh it's.

Trey Calloway: 14:16

I mean look, look people's got to like you, just for the hair it's.

Tiffany Mason: 14:24

It is insanely long. Now it's it's full. The mullet is mulleting. The mullet is mulleting my uh, I it would.

Trey Calloway: 14:29

The look is I wear a ball cap when I do interviews and stuff, because if I wear a cowboy hat it's like you know I'm sitting here talking to you. Nobody can can see my face. So the hair in the cowboy hat is the look.

Tony Scott: 14:43

Got it.

Trey Calloway: 14:44

I feel kind of embarrassed sometimes when I walk into a place that's not country music related at all, oh sure. Like the bank, for example, and I'm like no hat and I'm just straight rocking the mullet. I'm like, I know, I know I have a mullet rocking the mullet.

Tiffany Mason: 15:01

I'm like I know, I know I have a mullet, you know that's so interesting because I saw this guy and he had these like leather blue loafers on. He had his you know slick outfit on and I thought I bet in your crowd, like the people that you hang out with, like probably boating or golfing buddies. Yeah, I'm sure that this is like normal attire, yeah, but you're like in with the general public right now absolutely absolutely it don't match.

Trey Calloway: 15:22

Well, that's you know, that's what I found out about being what being a grown-up is half of. Being a grown-up is just kind of you. You find your thing and you just do it for like the rest of your life. You know what I mean. You just it's like it's not like high school at all where you just wear what all your friends are wearing. You just you get to be an adult. You pick what you want to wear and you're like this is me.

Tiffany Mason: 15:43

I'm this person.

Trey Calloway: 15:46

I always wore jeans and boots and buckles. I never was anything other than what I am, even back in high school. The mullet wears you. Though you don't wear the mullet, the mullet wears you.

Jay Franze: 16:05

You missed it, Jay.

Trey Calloway: 16:05

I had a mustache a couple weeks ago and everybody on my team was just like no, I thought you were no, let's see if I can find, see if I can find a picture okay.

Jay Franze: 16:09

Well, in the meantime, I found this meme.

Tiffany Mason: 16:10

Oh boy, okay, and it says might as well says congratulations, george stray, on hip-hop artists of the year 2025.

Trey Calloway: 16:17

See, that's the kind of that's the kind, that's the kind of, that's the kind of, that's the kind of positive kind of, you know, poking fun at each other we should be able to do. Of course, I think nobody. I think nobody hates Beyonce. I don't think it's personal against her at all. I think it has to do with people feel like she has not put her dues in with country music.

Tiffany Mason: 16:44

You know what, trey, this is me. I'll give you a.

Trey Calloway: 16:46

That's me with the stache.

Tiffany Mason: 16:47

Oh, my oh no, there, it is right there. Oh no, it looks like an.

Trey Calloway: 16:54

Instagram filter. I know I immediately. I immediately was like, well, no, I rocked the mustache for about two weeks. My wife I got a funny story, so around Christmas I went up to Ohio that's where my wife's from. I went up to Ohio to spend the Christmas with her family and she booked me a barbershop appointment so I would look good for all of the festivities during Christmas. And I come walking into her mom's house with her stepdad, who we'd gone to the barber, who let me do it, I might add, let me do the mustache. He sat there and watched me do it.

Tiffany Mason: 17:33

He knew all along it was a bad idea.

Trey Calloway: 17:36

Well he said well, it was the barber's idea. The barber's become a buddy of mine. I know that barber up in Ohio pretty good now and he's like man, you ought to do the mustache. All the country artists are rocking the stache now and I was like I don't know, I'll get in trouble. So he talked me into it. I did it. I walked into their house and my wife looked at me and said you Christmas.

Tiffany Mason: 17:58

That's a true wife right there Christmas and you know she loves it.

Trey Calloway: 18:07

It got to be after about a week or something. I would look at her and say it's starting to grow on you. It started growing and she's like she's like I love you. She would always go back to that. She would say I love you. I don't love the mustache, so I grew it back. I I got tired of people picking on me about it, so I grew back. I grew back the beard. I'm just a beard guy, I guess my husband was thinning very badly when, when we were young.

Tiffany Mason: 18:27

I'm sure he loves you and yeah, I, we joke that I made the hair fall out there's no dough so anyway, so he's gonna, he's gonna shave it all off, you know. And so we were in the in the bathroom together. I said, baby, this is a real test of our love. And he looked at me. He goes this, this is a test of our love. Like, well, I mean, I love you no matter what.

Trey Calloway: 18:52

Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's kind of funny if I start if my hair I mean I've got a full head of hair I mean my hair's all here. You know, if I start, if I start to lose it though and it's like, and it's like going up on me it's all going, I'm just going to.

Jay Franze: 19:08

Yes, it is. I mean dude bald is beautiful.

Trey Calloway: 19:12

Jay Bald is beautiful. You know what I'm saying If you're, I would say, be the guy who just rocks the Jason Statham. You know what I mean Just rock the Jason Statham.

Jay Franze: 19:23

I said bald or gray, either way it's staying Bruce Willis.

Trey Calloway: 19:27

Look at all the awesome bald guys Ben Diesel, so many great bald guys.

Jay Franze: 19:32

You know what I mean See, that's what I'm doing, I'm setting my mark.

Trey Calloway: 19:37

Planting my flag right there, buddy, and that's basically what I'm doing with the long hair is I'm just growing my hair out one more time before it all turns gray on me.

Jay Franze: 19:42

Well, you can.

Tony Scott: 19:44

I'm just going to have while it's still brown.

Trey Calloway: 19:45

I'm going to have gray hair and then, or I'm going to have long hair and then it'll be, gray, and I'll cut it all off, all right, let's close out this Grammy thing real quick.

Jay Franze: 20:06

I think part of the reason players, she's not doing the typical things. I think in a lot of ways that could have added to some variety and stuff, and I don't discount her talents I just don't like the the album.

Tiffany Mason: 20:13

Yeah, that's all right well, three people in the room, it would be three different, three different opinions. My opinion is I'm used to hip-hop Beyonce. I'm not trying to feel no country Beyonce For me, it's just what I'm used to hearing. I don't like the change.

Trey Calloway: 20:31

I'll stand on what I said. She's one of the most talented artists of our generation, if not of all time. Honestly, she deserves the accolade she's gotten. Your meme is funny, but it really your. Your meme is funny, but it really is the same thing. If george straight said I'm gonna make a hip-hop record, made one and then was immediately given hip-hop album of the year at the grammys, you don't think hip-hop fans would be upset. I think they would. Oh for sure. That's all I'm saying, and I I think, if she thinks about it rationally, she has to understand that's where the animosity is coming from. There's a lot of people in the country music world who listen to R&B and hip hop.

Tony Scott: 21:10

Sure.

Trey Calloway: 21:12

The divide is not there. Most of my friends that listen to country also listen to hip hop too. Myself, I listen to hip-hop. I listen to heavy metal.

Tony Scott: 21:21

I listen to hip-hop, I listen to you know, and the Beyonce thing, the Beyonce thing is the only thing that really got any flack.

Trey Calloway: 21:27

But do you know? The Rolling Stones won rock album of the year. They're in their 80s. You're telling me there's not another rock band.

Jay Franze: 21:35

Well, you know what the biggest disappointment of the Grammys were this year.

Trey Calloway: 21:39

I didn't watch them. To be honest with you, I didn't watch.

Jay Franze: 21:42

Tiffany, what was the biggest disappointment of the person who did not win? I don't know, Use your words, taylor.

Trey Calloway: 21:54

Swift, oh Taylor Swift. Everybody thought Taylor should have won Album of the Year. Correct, Absolutely.

Jay Franze: 21:59

There's no doubt in my mind that woman should have won.

Trey Calloway: 22:01

Yeah, so do they only do one album of the year for all genres?

Jay Franze: 22:06

No, there was a country album of the year. Okay, so Beyonce won country album of the year there was a rap album of the year.

Trey Calloway: 22:13

Yeah, so Taylor Swift. She was up for what pop album of the year?

Tony Scott: 22:18

So I mean.

Trey Calloway: 22:19

I've not listened to that album, but I actually had a conversation with my buddy, justin Bilton, and he's a bass player of Three Doors Down. He and I write quite a bit. He's very in tune with all that stuff and he's like Taylor Swift's album was a masterpiece. This last album was a masterpiece. I haven't listened to it. I know my wife loves a lot of the songs off of it.

Tiffany Mason: 22:38

Yeah, I would definitely call myself a Swiftie. Yeah, yeah, I like.

Trey Calloway: 22:42

Taylor Swift. I've always had a lot of respect for her. I don't think I'm her target demographic, you know what I mean, but I appreciate. From one musician to another musician, I respect her art very much. She's obviously talented. She's obviously incredibly talented. She's the biggest artist of all time. There's no doubt she has to be called the biggest artist of all time. Oh, she's awesome. Yeah.

Jay Franze: 23:03

I agree. I mean, if she's not there yet, she's going to be there soon.

Tiffany Mason: 23:10

In the podcasting space, if you're using copywritten music, you get your hands slapped and you get your episodes taken down, and so, actually, right now, the National Music Publishers Association has asked Spotify to remove thousands of unlicensed songs from podcasts on its platform, and it includes people like taylor swift, kenric lamar, justin bieber, michael jackson, and they are let's see, are they responded, stating they regularly receive takedown requests and they act promptly. So what happens is and I thought that there were like bots out there looking for this stuff- there are Okay, okay.

Tiffany Mason: 23:47

So when they spot it, they just take the episodes down. They don't usually take the whole podcast down, unless the intro and outro have it. Then it's on every single episode, so then of course you would take it down.

Trey Calloway: 23:58

Yeah.

Tiffany Mason: 23:59

But I think that's great, that they're protecting you guys in that fashion.

Jay Franze: 24:02

Yeah, I mean.

Trey Calloway: 24:07

I got a slight problem with it. Yeah, yeah, I I'm interested to hear what jay says too. I I think I'll go last all right.

Jay Franze: 24:10

Slight problem with that is we get trey on the show here tonight and trey wants us to play his new single, so we play his new single and then spotify takes the show down that's, that's what I was gonna say.

Trey Calloway: 24:22

I think sometimes some fishy stuff goes on, like you may have my express verbal consent, like hey, yeah, let's play the new song and I'll give it to you, and then the song will get played and it'll get taken down, and it's like sometimes on social media it's like you're posting your own song on your own page, you get flagged, and you get flagged and it's like so who do you think owns this music?

Trey Calloway: 24:47

Right, who really owns it? The question is, at the end of the day, who does really own the music, who really owns the music? So there's no telling, in terms of conditions, what we sign.

Tiffany Mason: 24:57

Yeah.

Trey Calloway: 24:58

But it's the nature of the beast now. It's the nature of the music business. The physical sale of music is pfft.

Tiffany Mason: 25:08

Okay well, music business the physical sale of music is is okay. Well, that kind of goes into this next one that I want to bring up, so I'm going to read a little bit of this. On the 31st, bipartisan lawmakers introduced the american music fairness act, aiming to require amfm stations to compensate artists for their airing of their songs. Currently in in the US, the only democratic nation where artists are not paid for AM FM radio play, proponents argue that this legislation addresses an outdated loophole that deprives artists of significant royalties annually. Broadcasting organizations oppose the bill, contending it imposes additional financial burdens on local radio stations. The proposed legislation I don't know why I can't say that includes a sliding royalty scale for smaller stations based on revenue, with larger organizations subject to rates determined by the Copyright Royalty Board. I would love to hear what you guys think about this.

Jay Franze: 26:04

You can take it from the artist's point of view, but I have two issues with this. There's performing rights organizations that collect money that they pay the songwriters. You get your BMI, your ASCAP, your CSAC. However, these radio stations, nightclubs, even your barbershop that you were referencing, if they want to play music in their shop, they have to pay a fee to BMI, ASCAP, CSAC in order to be able to play that music.

Tiffany Mason: 26:29

Wait, can I ask for clarity? So I'm a barber, I'm cutting hair and I'm like, oh, let me throw on a Spotify station and the music comes on. I'm supposed to be paying to play that music.

Trey Calloway: 26:44

You're supposed to be. Oh interesting, You're using that music to create an atmosphere.

Jay Franze: 26:50

Right to bring in your customers and that type of stuff. And if you see on their door there's usually a sticker that says BMI or ASCAP. That type of thing, yeah, okay.

Jay Franze: 26:59

But they're collecting the money and then they divvy that money up and pay it to the songwriters or the publishing companies that they see fit to pay. The problem is, the way you cut that pie up is not necessarily a perfect match to what was played on the radio or what was sold in a store. So that's just my view from the production side of the world, Trey. What's your view from the art?

Trey Calloway: 27:21

side. I just want to comment that I don't think that traditional radio can take too many more blows. Basically, I feel like this might be the final nail in the coffin of the traditional radio stations, which makes me really sad Because I understand technology changes. The music business isn't going anywhere. It's not going anywhere. There's always going to be guys and girls like me out there making music, no-transcript traditional radio has been beaten up.

Trey Calloway: 28:08

You know the streaming services are killing them because it's like I can find what I want to listen to when I want to listen to it, at any time, anywhere in the world. You know, I don't claim to know all the ins and outs. I mean, I'm sure if there's money that's not going to the artist, that should be going to the artist. I definitely think that it should be.

Trey Calloway: 28:27

I definitely think it should be going to pay them. But I think I see where the radio stations are coming from by saying, hey, we can't afford to do this.

Jay Franze: 28:35

You know what I mean? Well, they can't pay on a per play basis, because they're running off of advertising money.

Trey Calloway: 28:40

When the advertising money dries up, radio goes away, basically up, radio goes away.

Tiffany Mason: 28:50

Basically, do you think that the lawmakers are maybe not familiar enough with the landscape that they think, oh, streaming makes so much money per play. We'll do the same thing with radio.

Trey Calloway: 28:57

They don't understand the music, the music business is insanely complex and I think it's been designed to be that way you know there's.

Tiffany Mason: 29:05

I have a lot of money in it now Absolutely.

Trey Calloway: 29:07

I'm just now starting to somewhat grasp the way it really works, you know, and it's it is a very tricky business and I think there's a lot of people there's a lot of people who don't understand what's going on because they're not in that world, they don't live in it every day. I think a lot of politicians probably fall into that category. The game didn't really change. The medium changed. It went from radio to social media. You don't go out on a radio tour anymore and give the DJ a couple hundred bucks to play this guy's song for the next three weeks.

Trey Calloway: 29:43

Now people will go out and get influencers to clip their new song and put it in all their videos and that gets the song trending. And so the game did not change. Everybody thinks the music business has changed in this crazy way. It really hasn't. The way of turning somebody into a superstar has not changed. The medium changed, the space in which you do that has changed. It's this kind of stuff. What we're doing now. This is what it is now. It's like. This is what the music business has moved to now and personally I'm here for it. I like it. I like it. I like the fact that I can live or die. I like the fact that I can live or die. I like the fact that I can live or die on my own decisions. You know, I made this career choice. I put this song out. I dressed like this. I said these things I like that you can live and die on that hill.

Tiffany Mason: 30:37

Now well I do appreciate the streaming services, but every once in a while I almost miss it getting interrupted by humans. Yep, you know, and I'm like where are the djs? Like, every once in a while, I just want some djs well, the dj used to recommend music yep, I like some of the banter and I like the entertainment and I like the two cents and me too, you know the dumb gimmicky stuff that they do from time to time that shocks you like I had I had an interesting conversation, uh some time ago with a former dj.

Trey Calloway: 31:09

He had left his gig. I won't tell anybody's name or anything, but he had left his gig. He was saying that ai is going to replace the djs eventually and I was like, really, you think they're going to be able to talk and banter with each other and stuff, and you know, do I think that AI will one day have the ability to do that? Yes, I do. We're already there, buddy. Do I think anybody will care? I don't. That's what makes me think that AI is not going to take over everything.

Tiffany Mason: 31:43

Well, also like I don't think that if I knew the dj was ai, I don't think I would be excited. I want to meet these people, I don't care what I don't care what this ai has.

Trey Calloway: 31:51

I don't care what this ai has to say. It's a pre-programmed thing, it's. It's not genuine, and I know it.

Tiffany Mason: 31:58

It's crazy, okay, well I think that this is crazy and also awesome yeah.

Tiffany Mason: 32:03

So Coldplay actually recently performed in Mumbai and Chris Martin speaks Hindi and he was doing it during the concert. So I think that that's pretty amazing, like if you know another language and you can reach your audience by being so authentic. How freaking cool. I always love when people come from other countries and they're trying to learn English and I always you know, I think my husband thinks it's silly, like if we go to Mexico and I'll say some things in Spanish and he's like I'm the same way you know.

Tiffany Mason: 32:33

But I just think that that's common courtesy and I think that's really cool that he was doing that, and maybe he learned it through AI. Maybe he listened to.

Trey Calloway: 32:43

Babbel in podcast. On the way over, we went to Barcelona a couple of years Barcelona, spain and I was walking around with my Google translator going like, can you point me to the nearest bathroom? I only know El Banio. It worked. So there are. Like you said, jay, ai is a very good tool. It is going to be a very good tool Because think about a world where you have some kind of earpiece that hears a foreign language and translates it, using ai, into english for you to understand. You then speak back to them. They're wearing the same thing.

Jay Franze: 33:19

It translate your word, that's it's here that technology is here it already exists, for sure, but but on mass. It's like a phone, where everybody has it in their ear.

Tiffany Mason: 33:30

Right, that's exactly what I thought too, jay.

Trey Calloway: 33:33

What a time to be alive. We're either heading headfirst into a burning pile of barrels or we're heading towards utopia.

Tiffany Mason: 33:43

Greatness. We're heading towards utopia. I hope so, towards, you know, utopia. Greatness, we're heading towards utopia. I hope so. Speaking of AI, paul McCartney actually is urging the British government against changes to copyright laws concerning AI. So I'm sure that there's a lot of buzz about copyright laws and voices and AI. And have you guys heard of anything? You know that 11 Labs I don't know if that's what you were looking at with guys heard of anything? You know that 11 Labs? I don't know if that's what you were looking at with your friend, but you know. I mean, do you guys have any thoughts about AI and copyright?

Trey Calloway: 34:16

100%. Yes, I do. Prince spoke out about this a couple of years before he died and people were saying you know, they'll be able to, because they own my name and likeness. They'll be able to use my voice after I'm dead to make recordings of me, put them out as material of mine and make money off of me. And you know, I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know how I feel about that. You know, if you can, after somebody passes away, some big legacy artist, AI, writes songs in the style of that artist and AI their voice. So it sounds just like. I mean, you can't even tell that it wasn't an album of theirs and you sell that album.

Trey Calloway: 35:15

Is that right? What do you guys think? That's my question I pose to you. Like I'll say it before, I don't know how I feel about that, but I think that's an interesting question this is again.

Jay Franze: 35:25

It's happening now. You get artists who've passed away yeah, and you have some of their family that has said, yes, you can go ahead and do this. So it's happening. We've had, we've got artists who are alive, that are no longer able to use their voice, who have put out an ai album so you have things like that happening and then I think you just mentioned that did that.

Trey Calloway: 35:46

Jay Randy Travis is the one I know of for sure, yeah.

Jay Franze: 35:50

Yeah. So I mean again, it's a tool. There's positives and negatives, but I think it's how you use that tool. It's just like chat GPT. If you write something and then ask chat GPT to check it for grammar and tighten it up a little bit, I don't think that's cheating. To check it for grammar and tighten it up a little bit, I don't think that's cheating. If you say, write me this, whatever it is article or paper or something and you don't put any input, well then that's cheating. So or at least in my mind, I think that's the way it works, absolutely.

Trey Calloway: 36:19

I agree.

Jay Franze: 36:20

If it's a tool, it's like Grammarly. I mean, you write something on paper and then you ask Grammarly. That's nothing but a form of this AI, as we're calling it, and Grammarly goes through and checks your grammar. It's even offering suggestions on how to word a sentence better. It's just doing it one thing at a time, versus the whole thing at once.

Trey Calloway: 36:39

And I also believe that there's not a dang thing we can do to stop it.

Tony Scott: 36:44

It's crazy to think about.

Trey Calloway: 36:47

But see, I'm also you about. I love science fiction stuff, so the things I see coming to fruition are all these sci-fi. This is all stuff straight out of sci-fi. Somebody made a joke that we were heading towards iRobot.

Tiffany Mason: 36:59

We'll be there.

Jay Franze: 37:01

One more thing on this topic before we have to move on. I guess here. But unless we do make this a four-hour show tonight, trey, we can do that. We're talking about AI and all the things, but I was listening to a show earlier I think it was yesterday and they played clips of famous people like Trump. They played Taylor Swift and a few others and they asked you to guess which one was real. So they played a quote from Trump that was real and one that was AI, and the people in the studio guessing got it wrong at least 50% of the time. So I mean, we're close enough that it's fooling people already.

Trey Calloway: 37:45

There's going to have to be some sort of law created to keep this from running amok, because very bad people with this ability to abuse this AI will, if they can. We should just all enjoy ourselves for the next 10 years until the Terminators take over. Jay, yeah, there you go. We should just all enjoy ourselves for the next 10 years until the terminators take over. Jay, I'll see you guys.

Jay Franze: 38:11

We've talked a lot about the future.

Trey Calloway: 38:13

I'll see you guys in the Fox hall while we're fighting the terminators.

Tiffany Mason: 38:21

We've talked a lot about the future, but what about the past, jay?

Jay Franze: 38:26

What are we talking about the past now?

Tiffany Mason: 38:28

Well, just bands that should have been bigger than what they were. You're looking to make a transition.

Trey Calloway: 38:34

I like that.

Jay Franze: 38:36

Let's move on to the question of the day.

Tiffany Mason: 38:39

Can you pick up the ball that you just dropped?

Jay Franze: 38:41

Hey, sorry, I'm fired.

Tiffany Mason: 38:48

I tossed it up.

Jay Franze: 38:50

More like lobbed it. You said passed. I didn't quite make that connection. All right, Bands that should have been bigger than they are. So, Tiffany, throw out any band you think should have been bigger. We'll just go around one at a time and I'll see what people have chimed in here. George, chime in. Anybody else out there, please chime in.

Tiffany Mason: 39:09

No, Jay, you go first. I don't have anything.

Jay Franze: 39:12

Band survivor the band survivor should have been bigger than that what they really were. Good choice.

Trey Calloway: 39:19

They had what? Three, three hits yeah.

Jay Franze: 39:23

That's really good hits.

Trey Calloway: 39:24

They had, they had burning heart, and that might be it. Burning Heart and Eye of the Tiger might be the only two. Yeah, because Burning Heart is such a banger too High on you.

Jay Franze: 39:38

That was one of their big ones.

Trey Calloway: 39:39

Okay, so they had a couple American Heartbeat Burning.

Jay Franze: 39:41

Heart oh yeah, american Heartbeat. I know that one too. They had American Heartbeat. Is this oh yeah, american Heartbeat.

Trey Calloway: 39:45

I know that one too. They had American Heartbeat. Is this love? I think the band Hinder. You remember Lips of an Angel? Those guys were great. I got another one in that same vein.

Jay Franze: 39:56

I got another one in that same vein, did you not understand the rules of this game?

Trey Calloway: 39:59

We're supposed to switch.

Tony Scott: 40:01

Go ahead, tell us your other one.

Trey Calloway: 40:09

So Hinder is a big one. I would say what was the name of the band that had? I believe in a thing called love. There's a little rhythm in your heart. There's a chance we can make it now. What?

Tiffany Mason: 40:15

was the name of them, guys, I have no idea.

Trey Calloway: 40:18

I got to look it up. I got to look it up now It'd be cool though, if you could keep singing it. Yeah, I can't even hit that note not at 9 o'clock at night or 10 o'clock at night, I should say I can barely hit it when I'm warmed up, Tiffany.

Jay Franze: 40:30

We should have opened with this. The band that should have been bigger than they were.

Trey Calloway: 40:33

The Darkness.

Jay Franze: 40:34

They're called the Darkness oh yeah, I know the Darkness, he's funny great band.

Trey Calloway: 40:40

They should have been bigger than they were.

Jay Franze: 40:42

Tiffany Von Ray should have been bigger than what they were.

Tiffany Mason: 40:47

Yes, yes, I should have said that, yes, speaking of not well like AI is definitely changing now the industry, but at that time, it was streaming that changed the industry and that's what kind of screwed them over.

Jay Franze: 41:02

Yeah, it was good point.

Tiffany Mason: 41:03

Accessibility.

Jay Franze: 41:05

Trey, you might not know who Vaughn Ray is.

Trey Calloway: 41:07

I've heard the name they're friends of ours.

Jay Franze: 41:09

They were on the road with Nickelback.

Trey Calloway: 41:11

I think you told me about them when we first talked, if I'm not mistaken.

Jay Franze: 41:15

They were an awesome band but, man, they got gypped out of. I mean, they were huge and got gypped out of their fame right at the start of Grunge it was rough.

Trey Calloway: 41:26

What about the Fabulous Thunderbirds? Yeah, is that tough.

Jay Franze: 41:31

Right, yeah, no, that was a great band.

Trey Calloway: 41:34

You know the lead guitar player or the singer was Stevie Ray Vaughan's brother. Yeah, so I think that maybe got overshadowed by Stevie Ray Vaughan a little bit.

Tony Scott: 41:40

You know what I mean. I mean because you're talking about freaking stevie raymond you know what I mean so I think that's another one.

Trey Calloway: 41:47

I love the fabulous thunderburst though george says cheap trick cheap trick. Yeah, I think, george, I think that's a good one. I think cheap trick was well, how many hits? The cheap trick half was uh, my daddy's all right. Oh, yes, all right, they just seem a little way surrender.

Jay Franze: 42:04

Surrender, Surrender yeah, the Flame Cheap Trick Surrender Dream Police, that was their big one.

Trey Calloway: 42:12

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Jay Franze: 42:13

Yeah, david says Tesla, oh yeah.

Tony Scott: 42:17

Tesla.

Jay Franze: 42:17

Good choice. That was a good choice, david.

Trey Calloway: 42:19

I mean, they were big, but not that big, that's my Aunt Jackie's favorite band of all time she loves Tesla. I band of all time, she loves Tesla. I'll have to tell her that somebody was shouting out Tesla on here. Neil says YNT.

Jay Franze: 42:29

I've heard YNT. I've heard that name before. Michael says Savatage, oh yeah.

Trey Calloway: 42:35

Let's see what about some country artists. Kevin Sharp, that's a good one. I think Chuck Wicks should have been a bigger star than he was I think Chuck Wicks is incredibly talented, William Michael Morgan's another one too.

Jay Franze: 42:50

I can give you one that never made it. Which one? Jay Jimmy Chris. He's a producer I used to work with. He's released a couple albums but he never really made much of it, but he was probably one of the most talented people I've ever met in my life.

Tiffany Mason: 43:04

Wow Played every instrument wrote every song sang the album. Hey, speaking of instruments, can I ask you, jay? No On Shaboosie's. I'm going to do it anyway. Okay, it's a woman's prerogative. On Shaboosie's performance, there was a guitar player and he had a guitar strap, but the guitar sat like tabletop and then he played that way. Is that a specific guitar? It's a dobro, or is that just a style of?

Trey Calloway: 43:30

playing. It's a dobro. It's an electric dobro probably, because I mean, I'm pretty sure that's the lead instrument in that Shaboosie song is a lap steel. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure all that's going on in that record is acoustic that big kick loop, that kick snare loop, and then the claps and some bgvs, and then that the lap steel and some pedal steel and then maybe some fiddle.

Tiffany Mason: 43:56

But there's not a whole lot of electric dobro, electric dobro.

Trey Calloway: 44:00

There's like blues dobros that are like resonators, like the metal, the big old school metal looking blues man guitars.

Jay Franze: 44:06

Those are like traditional resonators looks like there's an acoustic guitar with a hubcap on it yeah, absolutely have you seen the guitars that are made out of metal?

Trey Calloway: 44:15

yeah, yeah, that's called a resonator, but it's. It's a form of dobro kind of. That's like the original blues, delta blues, dobro, you know what I mean. And then there's like electric dobros oh, cool okay I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that the intro of Boot, scoot and Boogie where it goes.

Tiffany Mason: 44:38

That's an electric.

Tony Scott: 44:39

Dobro.

Trey Calloway: 44:39

I'm pretty sure I don't think he's playing that on an electric guitar.

Tiffany Mason: 44:43

Interesting.

Trey Calloway: 44:43

Same deal with John Deere Green. That's that instrument. Sean says Cinderella. Oh yeah, a lot of those 80s hair bands big time should have been bigger. They had their one, two hits. They had that one good album.

Jay Franze: 45:01

Well, they had a very small period of time yeah, they would drop off between rock and grunge and they get yeah, really george, what did George say? He said Keith Urban.

Tiffany Mason: 45:14

You think he?

Jay Franze: 45:14

should be bigger. How much bigger can that man get? He should have more years there he is.

Trey Calloway: 45:23

Should have had more years. Absolutely, absolutely. So let's see here. Somebody said Chicago.

Jay Franze: 45:30

Chicago.

Trey Calloway: 45:31

Although I feel like Chicago was a big fan. They were huge.

Tiffany Mason: 45:34

Yeah, I think so too.

Jay Franze: 45:37

Tim says Rat, they got their fair shake. Tiffany. Tim says Rat.

Trey Calloway: 45:41

Rat's a good one Amen.

Jay Franze: 45:43

Rat's one of my favorite.

Trey Calloway: 45:44

Rat's one of my favorite.

Jay Franze: 45:46

Hair metal bands. For sure, I love hair metal.

Trey Calloway: 45:48

I mean, I love hair metal.

Tiffany Mason: 45:51

I mean, I love hair metal. I mean I love 80s metal, quiet Riot. I mean, did they have a whole bunch of hits?

Trey Calloway: 45:55

Quiet Riot gets a lot of credit for being the band that ushered in the heyday of metal in the 80s, because they had, come On, feel the Noise, which was like a big hit that came out of nowhere and then, come On, feel the Noise was a cover that they did not want to cut. I didn't know that they did.

Trey Calloway: 46:13

I didn't know that either it's either that one or metal health. I think it's. Come on, feel the noise. Come on, feel the noise was cut in one take. They literally were like we hate this song, we don't want to record it, it sucks.

Tony Scott: 46:26

We're gonna do one take this is all you're gonna get out of us and they went in in there and, come on, feel the noise.

Trey Calloway: 46:34

And they did it. That whole thing is one take.

Jay Franze: 46:37

Thank you, george, you had the name wrong.

Trey Calloway: 46:40

George is the man I can already tell. I like George.

Jay Franze: 46:42

That's my boy. George is our guy, for sure, is that George's profile picture.

Trey Calloway: 46:46

Is that really George with that awesome beard? That's George picture. Is that really george with that awesome beard? He said that's george. He said what was it? We talked about it last time. Eight months to grow that, I think. He said it's looking good, george the beard is looking right, brother.

Jay Franze: 46:57

That's what I'm saying now. George, I want to know if you still have that beard. I saw a picture of you online the other day without a beard, so I want to know if that beard is there yeah, oh, calling him out in front of everybody it was like me and the mustache man that's what I called myself out. George's family. I knew if Jay got a hold of a picture of me with a mustache it'd be on the screen, buddy, his picture of the mustache and underneath it, country men and porn.

Trey Calloway: 47:28

I'm trying to think of some country artists that could have been bigger.

Jay Franze: 47:32

Eric says Ty Ketto.

Trey Calloway: 47:34

Now that's a band that didn't really.

Jay Franze: 47:35

I mean, they were an 80s band but they definitely did not blow up. But they were a good band. Yeah, saints and.

Trey Calloway: 47:42

Sinners yeah that one was on the list, you know, you got to basically think they're like oh, george said he still has it. You know, I was talking today about uh to somebody. I remember the cassettes.

Jay Franze: 47:54

You had to take a pencil and wind them up I remember that I remember my dad winding up the cassettes because I probably and tiffany, I'll tell you about popping the little piece out of the corner and putting scotch tape over. We had that whole cassette story when you used to get cassettes or cds and they have the little leaflet inside cassette story.

Tiffany Mason: 48:10

Well, just for kicks and giggles when you used to get cassettes or CDs and they have the little leaflet inside. What were you most excited to learn about on it? Were you looking at the pictures, the lyrics? It was good to read the lyrics.

Trey Calloway: 48:23

I always read the lyrics. I remember there was a gospel artist that was somewhat of a southern gospel artist, but I would say he had some some. I would say he was like a modern country gospel artist you know, so he had some poppy stuff, but his name was Ray bolts. He had a song that my dad loved. It was called the anchor holds. So the anchor holds in spite of the storm. Such a good song, I mean.

Tony Scott: 48:49

I don't know what Ray bolts is doing nowadays Ray bolts is floating around somewhere.

Trey Calloway: 48:53

I hope he's still playing, ray. If you ever hear this, I'm a fan of your music. But yeah, I remember looking at a Ray Boltz cassette and opening it up and seeing his glorious mullet.

Tiffany Mason: 49:05

He had a very nice 90s mullet.

Jay Franze: 49:07

Now we know where it comes from. The title of this episode is going to be mullet.

Trey Calloway: 49:12

Honestly. Honestly, man, you know long hair. I don't think long hair should ever go out of style. I know it will. It eventually will go back out of style and everybody will cut their hair off. But baseball players and football players and country singers are keeping it alive right now, so I'm okay with it, and hockey players, and hockey players and hockey players, yeah, yeah.

Tiffany Mason: 49:35

and you know what? If you can grow it, you guys should be able to have those luscious looks. And you know why your guys's hair stays better? Because you don't put all the product in it?

Trey Calloway: 49:39

yep, I I, literally. My secret is I I shampoo conditioner head and shoulders uh head and shoulders yep, yep head and shoulders, and then conditioner really good, curly, rough like this train. She's rough like this Dre. Oh, that's all good. No, tiffany, no, that's why I don't have dandruff, because I use head and shoulders and then I get out and I blow dry the top. I blow dry the top. Okay, got to get a little style in there and then I just comb the back out while it's wet and just let it dry.

Trey Calloway: 50:13

Yep it and it just curls up and it gives that white, white on to keith whitley 100. But I don't, george, I don't consider keith willie to be underrated I think everybody knows how good keith whitley was and I think people george knows ray bolts too. Let's go.

Jay Franze: 50:23

Let's go, man and so I do.

Trey Calloway: 50:25

George is our man I, I like this part of our family. We got to put him on the show. That's what I'm saying, george jayfrenzycom slash live.

Tiffany Mason: 50:34

come on, we've laid it out, come on if george pops on here, I will you'll stay another six hours until two o'clock in the.

Trey Calloway: 50:51

I had my fingers crossed off the screen.

Jay Franze: 50:53

No, you didn't, but I'll hang out for a little longer. It's an audio show. We don't know if your fingers are crossed or not.

Trey Calloway: 51:00

Also can nobody see our faces the way we're seeing each other's faces right now. Yes, everybody I feel like our mannerisms are part of the funniness of the show. Yeah, absolutely.

Jay Franze: 51:09

And the fact that we're all sitting here naked. It's just odd and nobody's done a show like this before?

Tiffany Mason: 51:18

Has any of your fans seen you naked like this before, Trey?

Trey Calloway: 51:22

No, we're like the girl at the Grammys.

Jay Franze: 51:25

Yes, we're all wearing a see-through dress.

Trey Calloway: 51:28

Who's going to be the first guy to pull it off, though that's a career ender. That's a career ender right there.

Tiffany Mason: 51:35

Whatever guy decides to do it, career over, you're done well, I cannot wait to hear this song on the 7th. I'm super excited. So does it hit like 1 am on the 7th or what like? How fast, how soon.

Trey Calloway: 51:52

I hear this midnight midnight on the 7th it's, it drops and uh and yeah, man, we are. We are getting nothing but positive responses from this song. People are really liking it, so it's, it's been great. It's been great. I'm really excited. I'm hoping I'm knocking on wood, you never know. I'm hoping this one ends up being my highest dream song, because I really enjoy this one yeah, I really enjoy it.

Jay Franze: 52:14

What do you like most about it?

Trey Calloway: 52:18

I think, the authenticity of it. I think the fact that it's not some convoluted um contrived message. It is just a love song that's pure and honest in its form. I love the way the record turned out. The sound of the record is is probably my favorite part of it. It's got this perfect mix of like 90s feel to it and but also very modern. It's a great melody. You know I got to show off my voice on it. You know it's a. It's a cool song. I'm excited for it. I did my first interview this morning at about 7 30 in the morning, yeah I've done this is.

Trey Calloway: 52:57

I don't, jay. I don't know if I told you, jay, this is like my 10th one in a row.

Jay Franze: 53:00

You did tell me they're trying to kill, they're trying to tell me and tell me it's the best one, and then but this, I'm having such a blast I love this show I hope I get to do this a million times and but I hope beyonce mad at me.

Trey Calloway: 53:14

I hope she never goes back and watches this but I said, I spoke my heart and I will never knock Beyonce.

Tiffany Mason: 53:21

I don't think you said anything bad about it.

Trey Calloway: 53:23

Y'all are the ones that are going to get canceled not me.

Jay Franze: 53:25

No, that's Tiffany. Hate mail goes to Tiffany at JFrenzycom.

Trey Calloway: 53:29

Y'all are getting canceled, not me.

Jay Franze: 53:32

We, you know, we enjoy. I don't know if enjoy is the word for me, but we respect beyonce. We respect beyonce.

Trey Calloway: 53:42

Yeah, I just don't like the album I like, I like texas, hold them that song I do love that song and when I first heard it I was like this ain't texas ain't no it's cool.

Trey Calloway: 53:54

There's been a lot of country hit songs that are like that, that have that same groove, that same vibe, and it's just Jay and Tiffany are awesome. Yes, they are, george, they are very awesome. Thank you, george. But that groove in that song is timeless. I mean, I do think that song is going to stand the test of time. It's a cool song.

Tiffany Mason: 54:13

I agree with that.

Trey Calloway: 54:18

That cool song. But man, I agree with that, that stapleton album. I like that song and post malone.

Jay Franze: 54:20

You know post malone's stuff, man just coming out of nowhere. He's collaborator of the year, oh good country.

Trey Calloway: 54:24

I mean just that california sober song that he did with stapleton.

Jay Franze: 54:29

Oh man, that is a banger that song is such a good song has he not collaborated with anybody? What was the song he collaborated with you?

Trey Calloway: 54:38

With me. We're still working on it?

Jay Franze: 54:39

Oh, is that you're still working on it? Yeah, we're still. Yeah, don't talk about it yet. He's supposed to get back to me.

Trey Calloway: 54:46

Man he's collaborated with everybody. But you know, the thing about Post Malone from what I've heard is I feel like if Post Malone walked into the local on a Friday night, we were in their jam and he'd hop up on stage with me and he'd jam out all night with me. He would. We had Kyle Fields on the show.

Jay Franze: 55:00

Kyle Fields was on the show. Great guy, great artist. He's had a chance to play some massive venues with hundreds of thousands of people in the audience. He opened up for Kid Rock on the festivals of the summer. I mean great artist, but he also plays all the local places in Nashville and he was playing over at Losers and Post Malone walked in and he was just watching him all night long saying how great he was, and he talked to him in between songs.

Jay Franze: 55:28

I mean, he was just the nicest guy in the world to me. He stayed there all night, exchanged phone numbers.

Trey Calloway: 55:31

He seems to be the most authentic guy, yeah.

Jay Franze: 55:33

He seems to be the most authentic guy.

Trey Calloway: 55:34

He seems to be a really genuinely nice guy. All right Well.

Jay Franze: 55:38

I guess we're going to have to start wrapping this thing up. So, once again, I would say we've reached the top of the hour, but we've actually reached the bottom of the hour, which does mean we have reached the end of the show. If you've enjoyed the show, please tell a friend, tiffany, if you did not enjoy the show.

Tiffany Mason: 55:52

Tell two.

Jay Franze: 55:54

Thank you very much. You can reach out to all of us over at jayfranze. com, where you can keep the conversation going, and this week for socials. If you would like to reach out to us on Instagram, that is Instagram. We are looking for interaction on Instagram. You can reach me over at @jayfranze, Miss Tiffany.

Tiffany Mason: 56:14

@ VirtuallyY ou Pods.

Trey Calloway: 56:16

Trey Trey Calloway Music. @ Trey Calloway Music. There you go.

Jay Franze: 56:21

Alright, Tiffany, my friend, what do you got going on this week?

Tiffany Mason: 56:25

Jay, I am going to get a couple of winks of sleep and then I'm going to get my car tomorrow and drive my daughter down to Orlando. Once again, we have a cheer competition all weekend. I am excited, though, because it's on Disney property and she's going to be in the ESPN like auditorium not auditorium, but arena and so it's going to be you know, lights, camera, action, it's a whole thing. It's streamed on varsity TV or something I don't really know and then a day at Magic Kingdom. So I've got a magical weekend ahead of me that's awesome, that's awesome.

Jay Franze: 56:59

My daughter, lucy, has got a dance competition this weekend as well. I believe it is in ohio, ohio. So, um, we're gonna go to dance competition. But this week I had a chance to speak to vance powell. Uh, seven time grammy award-winning producer-engineer.

Trey Calloway: 57:15

Nice.

Jay Franze: 57:15

That episode will release on Monday if anybody would like to learn more about Vance and his time in the music industry From artists like the White Stripes and my daughter's favorite, the Arctic Monkeys. He also helped build Blackbird John McBride's recording studio.

Tony Scott: 57:32

I'll get it right, Blackbird John.

Trey Calloway: 57:33

McBride's recording studio.

Jay Franze: 57:35

Oh yeah, he was on the road with Martina. He got fired by Martina, so he's got all sorts of stories to tell us about Tracer. What do you got going on this week?

Trey Calloway: 57:44

Well, tomorrow I've got a recording session, I think about 2 o'clock. I've got to shoot content. Tomorrow I've got to week full of shows and then Saturday I'm actually going to, uh, going back to Charlotte, my son is going to be in a play. Oh, uh, I am going to support my son. Yeah, they're they're doing. They're putting on a version of Matilda at their school.

Tony Scott: 58:15

So he is in.

Trey Calloway: 58:16

Matilda, and both of the shows are sold out. It's insane.

Tiffany Mason: 58:21

Oh, my kid's got something going on this weekend.

Trey Calloway: 58:23

I'm excited, and so I'll be there cheering my son on and then probably watch the Super Bowl on Sunday. Oh, who's going to win the Super Bowl everybody? Is there a football game? I didn't even know there was a game this weekend. Who's going to win the Super Bowl? So what you're?

Jay Franze: 58:41

saying is there's going to be some commercials on TV this weekend? Yeah, exactly.

Trey Calloway: 58:46

Tiffany, who's winning the Super Bowl?

Tiffany Mason: 58:48

I mean the Eagles. They're going to fly high. Take down those Chiefs.

Trey Calloway: 58:53

We hope.

Jay Franze: 58:56

No, I have to go against that because I can't go for the same team Tiffany goes for.

Trey Calloway: 59:02

I want it to be a good, fair game. That's what I want. I don't care who wins, because neither one of these teams are my dog in the fight. I want it to be a fair game, that's all Against popular opinion.

Tiffany Mason: 59:16

I want to see Taylor.

Jay Franze: 59:18

Oh, absolutely. That's the only reason I'm tuning in. Do we know who's?

Tiffany Mason: 59:24

performing Super Bowl halftime.

Jay Franze: 59:27

Do we know? I'm willing to bet Taylor Swift doesn't put Cheez Whiz on her stick.

Trey Calloway: 59:30

Let me see who's playing Super Bowl 2025?.

Jay Franze: 59:35

Taylor chime in. Let us know.

Trey Calloway: 59:38

Kendrick Lamar. It is Kendrick Lamar, look at that.

Tiffany Mason: 59:42

Isn't that a great winner?

Trey Calloway: 59:44

Very, very cool.

Tiffany Mason: 59:46

Did he win?

Jay Franze: 59:47

Yep Record of the year.

Tiffany Mason: 59:50

Oh snap.

Trey Calloway: 59:52

Kendrick Lamar was the one that wore the double denim. That's right. I was thinking that it was Kendrick Lamar that the one that wore the double denim. That's right. I was thinking that it was Kendrick Lamar that wore the double denim. To the worship, they wore the what is it called? Canadian tuxedo? The Canadian tuxedo? Hey, I wear double denim all the time.

Tiffany Mason: 1:00:09

Man, double denim is back in style that's what all the cool kids are wearing with their mullets dang right, it is, tiffany.

Trey Calloway: 1:00:15

Dang right, it is. It's all about the m kids are wearing with their mullets. Dang right, it is, tiffany. Dang right, it is. It's all about the mullet, the vipers. I had some vipers for a while, but I'm so notorious for losing sunglasses.

Tiffany Mason: 1:00:24

I've lost every good pair of sunglasses I've ever owned you know, when we moved down here from minnesota I was like, okay, I'm gonna get a really nice pair of sunglasses, and I did, and I proceeded to lose them not too long after Holding his four Grammys.

Trey Calloway: 1:00:36

Good for him. Absolutely, that's awesome. I just get cheap ones now. I heard that he did it Okay. So there's the headline right there Kendrick Lamar takes another subtle dig at Drake and feud with Canadian Tuxedo at Grammys. You know, because Drake is Canadian. I heard that the Canadian Tuxedo was a way for him to kind of A little bit of a dig.

Trey Calloway: 1:01:00

Yeah, a little dig with the Canadian tuxedo, but honestly, man, all he did was compliment himself that Canadian tuxedo is on point. Honestly. Double denim. The only rule is they have to be different shades of denim. You can't wear light denim. Double denim the only rule is they have to be different shades of denim. You can't wear light denim, light denim. It's got to be dark denim light denim.

Jay Franze: 1:01:21

He's got the same shade.

Trey Calloway: 1:01:22

I know that's the only point that.

Tiffany Mason: 1:01:25

I yeah, he's against it.

Trey Calloway: 1:01:27

His almost looks like a jumpsuit. His almost looks like he's wearing a one-piece jumpsuit. It's a prison suit, like a chain gang suit or something like that. That's a pretty cool way.

Jay Franze: 1:01:37

Thank you, George, Kansas City, he says.

Tiffany Mason: 1:01:41

Aw he wanted. Jay to have someone in his corner.

Jay Franze: 1:01:43

He said it last week too, okay well. Alright, folks, I wish you all the best. Have a good night.

Tony Scott: 1:01:55

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