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David Lee Roth Hits the Road, Best Bass Player, and Country Music News: Featuring Mark Badolato

Jay Franze / Tiffany Mason / Mark Badolato Episode 140

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The invisible art of music production takes center stage in this fascinating deep dive with Jay, Tiffany, and special guest Mark, who brings decades of musical knowledge to the conversation. What begins with nostalgic recollections of sneaking backstage at a David Lee Roth concert evolves into a masterclass on what makes truly great music tick.

The trio explores the meticulous methods of legendary producers like Mutt Lange, whose perfectionism had one of Nashville's premier guitarists repeating just four measures for nearly a week until capturing the precise take he wanted. This standard of excellence explains why Lange's productions for artists like AC/DC, Def Leppard, and Shania Twain remain timeless sonic benchmarks decades later.

A spirited debate emerges when the question "Who is the greatest bassist of all time?" hits the table. The hosts and audience members champion virtuosos from across genres—Jaco Pastorius's jazz fusion brilliance, Geddy Lee's progressive rock complexity, Les Claypool's avant-garde techniques, and the funk mastery of Flea. After passionate advocacy and thoughtful analysis of what makes a bassist truly exceptional, Victor Wooten emerges victorious, celebrated for his revolutionary approach to the instrument.

When analyzing Tyler Braden's "God & Guns and Roses," the conversation transforms into a fascinating breakdown of music production's three pillars: songwriting quality, performance excellence, and production craftsmanship. This analytical framework offers rare insight into how industry professionals evaluate music beyond subjective preferences.

The episode also touches on genre crossover controversies, with heated opinions about which artists are making authentic evolutions versus calculated commercial moves. Whether you're a musician, producer, or simply a passionate music fan, this episode delivers both entertainment and education in equal measure.

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Tony Scott:

Welcome to The Jay Franze Show, a behind-the-curtain look at the entertainment industry, with insights you can't pay for and stories you've never heard. Now here's your host, Jay Francie.

Jay Franze:

And we are coming at you live. I am Jay Francie.

Tiffany Mason:

And joining me tonight. The wheezy to my George, my beautiful co-host, miss.

Jay Franze:

Tiffany Mason Moving on up. There you go. I'm so proud of you. Right out of the gate you're starting strong. If you are new to the show, this is your source for the latest news, reviews and interviews, and if you would like to join in comment or fire off any questions, please head over to jayfranze. com. And if you feel froggy like Mr Mark here, you can join us live by going to jfranzycom slash live. But before we get started, my friend, let me tell you a question of the day. Who is the best bass player of all time?

Tony Scott:

Who is?

Jay Franze:

the best bass player of all time. Don't answer now, wait.

Tiffany Mason:

Hold off.

Jay Franze:

Please go ahead and put your comments, your thoughts, in the comment section, and we will get to that a little bit later in the show. All right, miss Tiffany. Last week we talked about the Monsters of Rock, we talked about Van Halen, we talked about Sammy Hagar and David Lee Roth. He also said long-haired Mark. He must have said it three times because, like Beetlejuice, he has now shown up. Mr Mark, how are you?

Mark Badolato:

I am doing well, my friend, how are you doing?

Jay Franze:

I am very good. We talked about you last week. We talked about you going to Monsters Rock with me way back when, or me going with you, actually, and you heard it and you decided to come on and talk about it with us tonight. So we will go ahead and do that here. But let's take that a step further. We mentioned David Lee Roth, and the two of us had an opportunity to also go see David Lee Roth together.

Jay Franze:

the two of us had an opportunity to also go see David Lee Roth together. So tell me your memories of the night we went to see David Lee Roth and we'll see if it kind of matches.

Mark Badolato:

Well, I it was a fun show. I remember that we had a great time. But the fun stories about that show there were two of them Wait wait, wait.

Jay Franze:

nothing embarrassing Remember.

Mark Badolato:

Why would I embarrass you?

Jay Franze:

I'll embarrass you.

Tiffany Mason:

That's my style. Fair enough, I'll embarrass you later.

Mark Badolato:

Start of the concert or before the show actually started, we were walking around the arena and all of a sudden one of the roadies, you know they were still doing the sound checks and stuff and they were just wailing over the PA system. And I remember saying to Jay, wait, I want to go check out what's going on. You're like why do you want to see the roadie play? And I said that's not a roadie, I could just tell by what was coming out of there. And so we walked over right to where the stage and the last section of seats were and you could see over there and sitting right below us was CeCe DeVille, the guitar player from Poison. Guitar player from Poison who was the opening band down there, trying to figure out some kind of problem with the equipment with this roadie. And you know he sat there for about 10 minutes. We got to hear him just wailing one-on-one and doing that and that was the fun beginning of the show. Even more fun at the end of the show when we tried to sneak backstage. Oh boy.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay, wait, really quick, really quick. I want to know I'm sorry, sorry, technical difficulties. Did you have your 110 exposure cameras with you?

Mark Badolato:

that night probably not the monsters of rock show. We do have a few pictures of that available us just trying to get away with it. It didn't quite work because earlier in the night, when we were standing there watching the show, one of the roadies had come up to the women that were standing behind us, who were obviously quite good looking, and gave them backstage passes and said at the end of the show, go over to section you know whatever one, two, three. And we heard that. So we figured okay, well, why don't we just sneak over with that and we'll pretend that we were invited as well and we can go backstage and meet DLR. Except it turned out when we got to the section at the end of the show, there was maybe 20 beautiful women and us two idiots sitting right there, and we spotted immediately. The Brody that was giving out the instructions was basically like okay, here's what's gonna happen, we're gonna go back to you two. What the hell are you?

Tiffany Mason:

doing here. Your boobs weren't big enough.

Mark Badolato:

Weren't big enough. Maybe now.

Jay Franze:

Fair enough.

Mark Badolato:

That's it, those were our stories, all right.

Jay Franze:

Well, you know it was good having you here tonight, mark. Well, thank you for joining us. Well, we mentioned David Lee Roth. He is in the middle of his comeback. We mentioned david lee roth. He is in the middle of his comeback. So if you would like to go see david lee roth, he is touring and he is actually coming to cincinnati, so I'm gonna take the opportunity to go see him. He's playing at the hard rock casino. It's an outdoor venue, it's it's a small venue. It's on grass, it's just a small stage.

Tiffany Mason:

It's daytime when it's when they're playing that's usually when old people have to go see. The music is when it's daylight. See you at home by bedtime.

Jay Franze:

Oh, I'm sorry, Were you saying something? Two people making old cracks tonight, I get it. This is going to be a good night. All right, miss Tiffany, did you ever listen to David Ross?

Tiffany Mason:

It's going to be a good night because it's at your expense. Yeah, I hear you, George. Are you in the house?

Jay Franze:

George is in the house. George saved me tonight. Buddy, I really need your assistance. He says so far it's a cool show, but he says Tiffany's really going to lose it tonight. George says he's expecting Tiffany to be fired soon. That's just me adding it.

Tiffany Mason:

George, don't worry, it was just me. I made that up, I didn't see the comments.

Jay Franze:

George, I know, all right. Fine, be that way.

Tiffany Mason:

No, do I ever listen to David Lee Roth? I don't know. Probably, I mean, that was the era of music that I liked, so Mark write a lot of some David Lee Roth song titles for her.

Mark Badolato:

She needs help oh uh, living in paradise, yankee rose tobacco road. Little ain't enough. There's all kinds of stuff. He had quite a few hits.

Tiffany Mason:

That's four right there, that's good none of them ring a bell, so I'm gonna say probably not actually he did a cover of california girls. That was really popular too okay, maybe I'm not doing well in this category, so shall we move on.

Jay Franze:

I just want to say it's fair and Mark will be a good assistance because, like I, forget every name in the book. You don't know any name in the book. Mark's like a musical encyclopedia and he remembers just the dumbest things. I didn't remember any of that stuff about going backstage or sneaking backstage.

Mark Badolato:

But that could have been two days after it happened too. That's just how it's always been Fair enough.

Tiffany Mason:

You know you saying that you guys snuck to the last section. That's what we did at the Aerosmith concert. I shared that story. A boyfriend of mine in high school went to go see Aerosmith and we did the same thing, went all the way to the last section and you can basically get the viewpoint of the performers and we could use teleprompters. So that was kind of interesting that we thought it was so cool. We knew a song was going to come up before everybody else knew because it was showing on the teleprompter. But cheap thrills, right.

Jay Franze:

We were all young and dumb.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, it was the little things. It should say that way, though it should say that way, those little things are what's exciting and important. Okay, well, moving into the news, it is mr aerosmith mr aerosmith mr. Aerosmith steven tyler joe perry reunite aerosmiths steven tyler and joe perry performed together for the first time since their 2023 peace out tour was canceled, sparking excitement among the fans. However, former Guns N' Roses drummer, matt Sorum stated Tyler's injuries may prevent future tours. I did not get a chance to look up what are Tyler's injuries.

Jay Franze:

Vocal injuries.

Tiffany Mason:

Shut up.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, the last tour he made it through. I think it was three shows before he had to stop. They think he's going to come back, but when he does come back, they expect it to be more of like a Vegas residency. They don't expect it to be a full-blown tour, because what he'll do is he'll sing for a night, take several days off, sing for another night. He can't do multiple nights in a row anymore without running the risk of ruining his voice forever.

Tiffany Mason:

Whoa, I did not realize that was going on.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah.

Tiffany Mason:

All right. Next story Warrant's ultraphobic 30th anniversary. Warrant celebrates the 30th anniversary of their 1995 album Ultraphobic with the first time 180G vinyl. What does that mean, jay?

Mark Badolato:

I believe it's the weight of the vinyl measured in grams okay, heavier weight of the vinyl itself, like it might be a that's what I was thinking we can google it, but you know, is it really worth giggling?

Tiffany Mason:

I don't know. No, I think we're best with assuming and guessing yes, as you Ask you me, that's why people follow us. Yes.

Jay Franze:

It's for our accuracy.

Tiffany Mason:

They know we're going to give them our best guess.

Jay Franze:

When I lived in Orlando, the singer Janie Lane of Warrant. He lived there and during all the street parties Warrant would actually come out and play. They'd get up on stage and play on the street parties. So it was a good time to get to see them that close and personal.

Tony Scott:

Yeah.

Jay Franze:

That was the same days of Von Ray and.

Tiffany Mason:

Matchbox 20. You were like in the thick of the good times.

Jay Franze:

In that section, for sure.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah.

Jay Franze:

Mark and I both grew up in Boston and you've got big bands. You've got the band Boston itself, You've got Aerosmith and Extreme and so on. But when I was in Orlando I got to be with Batchbox 20, Vaughn Ray, Warrant, all those bands. So it was actually good to just hang out with them and help them set up in clubs and do those type of things.

Tiffany Mason:

Sell merch in the back with their mom, with their mom.

Jay Franze:

I haven't talked to his mom recently. Vaughn Ray Mom.

Tiffany Mason:

Ray, get her on the horn, vonnie Ray.

Jay Franze:

Mom Ray.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh, mom Ray. Oh, vonnie Ray works too. Barbara Ray, all right. Metallica's Kirk Hammett reflects on playing lead guitarist. He offered a candid assessment of his skills in an interview with Metal Hammer, discussing his growth and challenges as a musician. I don't think I saw that.

Jay Franze:

Well, Mark, what do you think? Metallica was always your band.

Mark Badolato:

I've always thought that Kirk was a great, great guitar player. He was always fun to listen to and when Metallica first came out, that was something we had not heard before. That was the heaviest thing we had ever heard and you know it took a little getting used to, but it was. It was one of those things that was, just, you know, mind blowing at the time and I've always loved Kirk.

Jay Franze:

It wasn't just heavy, it was also fast.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah, it was very fast.

Jay Franze:

I have an appreciation for Metallica, but they were never one of my favorite bands and, like I mentioned last week, I kind of lost respect when they did that documentary that showed them walking around with their therapist.

Tiffany Mason:

That's all right their balls in their hand.

Jay Franze:

Glitter balls.

Tiffany Mason:

Pretty nuts. I'm a quick study jay here you go, you're not fired yet george says you've been doing good lately, lately, the last three minutes.

Jay Franze:

I don't know something he meant last week okay, let's talk about brian adams.

Tiffany Mason:

He has released his 17th studio album and I still hate that we have to say studio album. Anyways, roll with the punches is what it's called, and it's coming out august 29th, 2025 this year, and it features a mix of rock and ballads, including the new single never, ever, let you go I wonder if it's produced by Mutt Lang. Would it say already.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's out already, george. Get on that buddy who produced Brian Adams' new album. But yeah, mutt Lang is the one who produced the big hits and Mutt Lang is considered probably the world's best producer. So I know we always say one of the world's best. Mutt Lang is probably the world's best. Produced ACDC Back in Black album. He produced Shania Twain's big hits.

Tiffany Mason:

Mark, I see you shaking your head. Yes, how do you know, mutt Lang? Or is it that you appreciate the work as much?

Mark Badolato:

I know because, like Jay said, he's been one of the biggest producers ever. I mean, he was a big part of the responsibility for death leopards, two biggest albums, two and what shot them through the stratosphere, pyromania and hysteria. Um, and he, just he was just one of those guys that you know. He had the ear for what, what needed to be done and how to make it next level in terms of like rock but still be pop and catchy and get on the radio and TV when they still play music and you know that kind of thing.

Jay Franze:

Was it on through the night?

Mark Badolato:

On through the night high and dry Pyromania, then Hysteria.

Jay Franze:

I think um one of the albums before the drummer lost his arms was also produced by Montlake.

Mark Badolato:

That was Pyromania.

Jay Franze:

That was before the Arm.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah, pyromania was before. If you go back to the videos you'll see Rock of Ages and photographs. He was there and then it was after that tour when the accident happened.

Tiffany Mason:

What was the accident?

Jay Franze:

He crashed his Corvette. He was in Europe and he was on one of those highways that you can drive as fast as you want. He had a Corvette and got in an accident and lost his arm. Yeah, that was a big deal, because they didn't want to lose him as a drummer. So they created an entire drum kit that allowed him to play with one arm and obviously his two feet, but it became much more of a polished synthesized sound.

Tiffany Mason:

He played barefoot.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, you know what?

Tiffany Mason:

I think he did. Yeah, Interesting, oh oh, here she comes with facts. Oh okay, Aria releasing their debut single Radio Free Europe, to support news organizations Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty Currently under financial threat. Proceeds from the vinyl sales will benefit those two programs.

Jay Franze:

Do you like REM?

Tiffany Mason:

I think I do because it's in it Losing my religion.

Jay Franze:

You actually got one. I'll give it to you.

Tiffany Mason:

I know I normally say Phil Collins for that one. That's usually the mix-up and when I saw REM I was like sweet, I finally get to say it.

Jay Franze:

I have respect for him. I just was never the biggest fan.

Tiffany Mason:

When that song came out, I remember watching the video on MTV. Like every time it would come on I'd come running into the room, couldn't even tell you one frame from the video now, but I just remember every time it would come on I just I had to go in and listen to it. My mom would call me and Tiff, it's on, it's on.

Jay Franze:

Once an hour.

Tiffany Mason:

Probably.

Jay Franze:

But that type of music I mean I can respect it. I probably would enjoy it more now, but when that music first came out you were competing with all the hair metal bands, and that's where my heart lied. I was into the rock and metal music. This was a little too smooth for me.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, a little too tame, you needed some guitar and some screaming.

Mark Badolato:

That was also getting into the early 90s when, you know, grunge was starting to take over for the hair, oh yeah and bands like rem typically fell into the college alt rock.

Mark Badolato:

Or I was working in a music store at the time. We called it complaint rock, because it was just so focused on bitching about things and that kind of made it lose its charm a little bit for me too, because it's like enough of this already. May, I understand, you've got your, your opinions and you know whatever, but I I don't want to hear it. I just want to listen to some enjoyable music. But I do. I agree with Jay Like I respect them and they've got some songs that I do like They've just never been a go-to for me.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, yeah we've talked about that before where artists use the platform for their outside views other than music, and you know they're popular because we want to. We want to hear their music. And to be fair that's a band I don't want to be fair, that band, that was their thing.

Jay Franze:

It was like U2. They that was their thing, they weren't. They weren't just jumping on something for the moment.

Tiffany Mason:

Jay gives them permission. If they're like that, he gives them permission.

Jay Franze:

You're either. If you own it and you're all in, I've got no problem with it. Do your thing. I don't have to like it, but do it. But if you're and as much as I like Taylor Swift, don't get me wrong, I am a Swifty but I don't like when she talks about politics because it's not her platform, it's not what she typically talks about.

Tiffany Mason:

That's not her thing. So I'd rather just hear her play her breakup music, and if I want to hear the political stuff I'll go to U2 or REM or something like that. Well, you know, hannah became whatever music authority or whatever you want to say, right after the Taylor Swift craze I know we're still in it, but you know what I'm saying the the big wave right. So we were listening to a song by Gracie Adams on the radio, some song she likes and I was like what's the other song again? So we pulled up and listened to it and I said, oh, she kind of sounds like Taylor Swift. And he was like no, she doesn't, and it's not really a negative, that's a pretty big compliment.

Jay Franze:

Hannah is Tiffany's daughter.

Tiffany Mason:

She's 14.

Mark Badolato:

So she's the music concierge all of a sudden, because she knows all the new stuff and we're just with our old people.

Tiffany Mason:

Music, that's the yes, yes, and Taylor's like so we're the boomers, right, we kind of are now. We're not boomers, we kind of are now.

Jay Franze:

We're not boomers right, Boomers was before us.

Tiffany Mason:

No, no, we're X.

Jay Franze:

Generation.

Tiffany Mason:

X. Yeah, okay, sonic Temple Festival is going to be in May. Ooh, it's right now. 8th to the 11th Starts tomorrow In Columbus, ohio. I'm sure you've got tickets, jay. You're going to go head up the festival.

Jay Franze:

I'm not going to go to the festival. I was talking to somebody about that. I love going to music and stuff, but I do not like crowds In summertime festivals when you're out in the heat and, granted, it hasn't been hot here the past couple days but when you're out in the heat and you're just standing there there and no. I want to sit down and be comfortable you know, preferably backstage.

Tiffany Mason:

You've been spoiled.

Jay Franze:

No, even if I go to like an arena, I would rather sit in the furthest seat, as high up as possible, away from people, and then just be able to sit there and enjoy the show, because I want to be able to get comfortable. I'm a little taller than the average person, so when I stand up I always feel like I'm blocking somebody's view, so I'd just rather be out of the way.

Tiffany Mason:

No, I want to be in the thick of it and I want to be screaming words in each other's faces because we're, like, so pumped about whatever the song is. I want to jump up and down. I want to be super sweaty next to somebody else that's equally as pumped and excited to be there and loves the songs. You made it to these. You better. You better gear up for July.

Jay Franze:

George, Thank you, he says yes mutt lying.

Tiffany Mason:

Ah, nice work, George.

Jay Franze:

That, george, you are earning that title tonight. On it, if anybody wants to send fan mail? It's george at jfranzycom.

Tiffany Mason:

If it bounces back, just send it to j at jfranzycom.

Jay Franze:

It won't bounce back. You could send it to asshole at jfranzycom. It still comes to me.

Tiffany Mason:

All right. Well, if you end up going to that festival, like I'm sure you have tickets to you're going to see Linkin Park, metallica and Korn your favorite Metallica.

Jay Franze:

No, I don't mind seeing them. Like I said, they're a talented band and I hope somebody brings up their bass player later today because he's a great player, but Linkin Park is who I would like to see especially with that newincoln park is who I would like to see, especially with that new singer, emily. I would like to see lincoln. I'm not a biggest fan of corn, it's not bad, it's just very basic. Yeah, they're very fast players, but they're the twitches all the time.

Tiffany Mason:

All of a sudden, yeah very fast players.

Jay Franze:

Oh, like a bad rash, tiffany like a bad rash I know moving right along.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay, welcome to rockville and daytona beach, florida, just south of me. It is going to be headlined by green day, lincoln park, corn and shine down. There's another festival. It's going to be uh, boardwalk rock 2025 announced. Say that twice. No, say it five times, really fast. Anyway, it's going to be in maryland. It's got def leppard motley crew, nickelback and shine down. Nickelback looks like those guys are all on a little circuit there I don't care about def leppard.

Jay Franze:

I like their first two albums into the night, or what was it mark?

Mark Badolato:

we just said it on through the night, high and dry on through the night and high and dry.

Jay Franze:

Those are the ones I like.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah, those were like to me, the raw albums yeah, before they were polished they were like something like 19 or 20, I think, when they first did that first one now there's a good example too, because we talked about mutt lang being the best producer in the world, and he makes highly polished albums.

Jay Franze:

I mean highly polished albums, and I prefer the first two because they were raw.

Tiffany Mason:

There's more at the party.

Jay Franze:

I do Join the party. Speaking of joining the party, bob Bullock worked on the Shania Twain records with Mutt Lang. Oh, so he got to witness it firsthandt lang brought in brent mason, who's arguably one of the, or probably the best guitar player in national. He's just an amazing guitar player. Mutt lang brought him in to play guitar and he played four measures of a solo over and over again for like four or five days or whatever it was, until Mutt felt like they had the take that he wanted. So he's anal. When I say I'm anal, he takes it to a whole nother level. But next time Bob's on the show we'll have to get him to tell some of those stories from those days, because they did some wild stuff. They recorded that record in the Bahamas and they may or may not have broken some laws in the making of that album.

Tiffany Mason:

I mean whatevs?

Jay Franze:

Only customs, don't worry about it. Allegedly.

Tiffany Mason:

All right. Well, we're going to revisit the ACM Awards. There's a little buzz, what? What are you laughing about?

Jay Franze:

So they're going on right. Never mind, just move on ACM Awards. They do exist.

Tiffany Mason:

For tomorrow. Yep, they're going to feature performances Jelly Roll, shaboozy, megan Moroney, showcasing a mix established of emerging artists. Showcasing a mix established of emerging artists. So, shibuzi, last week I said the song I was listening to was called amen. It was actually um, tell me something good. Good news, good news. That's what it is, so listen for that instead are you sure?

Jay Franze:

anyway, george, do we need to fact check her?

Tiffany Mason:

no, no fact checking needed. Amen is on the radio too, but the one I heard was, um goodness, just a little bit of good news anyway. Okay. So hannah, speaking of megan maroney, okay, her and her little bff, they've been plotting to go see megan maroney. Okay, then hannah says for her birthday in march, she actually wants to go see dylan scott. So Scott's going to be in Orlando, we're going to go see Dylan Scott. Okay, fine, everything's going to be great, not a crazy price tag, right? No, then she says she doesn't want to go see him somewhere close, she wants to go out of town to go see him. Me and myself, orlando's out of town Anyhow.

Tiffany Mason:

So today in the car her birthday was in March we didn't go anywhere, we didn't buy any tickets yet, we were just kind of they wanted to go to Miami, I don't want to go to Miami. So I think Sean was like I want to buy the tickets to make Hannah happy, but I don't want to buy the tickets because then my wife, you know, will read me the right act. So never stop complaining and blame him for anything bad that happened on the trip. So not that I did that. So Anna says today. She says, okay, I think what I decided is I'm going to go to Key West for my birthday I'm like, okay, right, just checking and then her friend for her birthday in September. They're going to go see Megan Maroney. And I was like these girls have been trying to see Megan Maroney forever. First of all, I don't think her music is that great. It all sounds the same and I'm already bored of it, like I don't know.

Jay Franze:

The email goes to Tiffany at jfranzycom.

Tiffany Mason:

T-I-F-F-A-N-Y.

Jay Franze:

She's taking it with pride tonight, yeah. Cause I'm not excited about the show and you know, talk to us about it. It's jfranzycom slash live.

Tiffany Mason:

So yes. So I don't know if we have Megan Maroney in our future or not, but it's kind of looking like it Probably not anymore. Yeah, we probably still are okay yeah, yeah, probably still.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah. Well, kelsey ballerini defends genre crossovers, so we've talked a lot about genre crossovers. In a recent interview, kelsey ballerini addressed criticism of artists like beyonce and lana del rey venturing into country music. She emphasized that country music is rooted in storytelling and should be inclusive, urging skeptics to reconsider their stance. I think it's just hate against the Beyonce right. I don't think it's all crossover.

Jay Franze:

I have no problem with anybody joining any genre. I mean Jelly Roll and what's the other dude's name?

Tiffany Mason:

I can't remember his name, can't remember Post Malone.

Jay Franze:

Post Malone. Are you sure it's Post Malone? I mean, if he played with one or two more artists I might be able to remember his name, but between Jelly Roll and Post Malone playing is, you know, crossing over? I mean, I have no problem with any of that, because I think that's truly who they are. They're just going a little further down the path of their life. Where I don't think Beyonce is, I think she's posing.

Tiffany Mason:

Lana Del Rey. I think it's a marketing thing.

Jay Franze:

I think if she were to do some country music, I don't think that would be a bad thing for her. She's kind of on the line.

Tiffany Mason:

Do you think she's maybe Girls Club Kelsey Ballerini sticking up for them? Or do you think she wants maybe Girls Club Kelsey Ballerini sticking up for them? Or do you think she wants to cross over and so she wants to say like, oh, I've been sticking up for this the whole time?

Jay Franze:

Yeah, I guess that's possible. I didn't think about it that way. She might want to do a little bit of pop stuff, maybe collab with some of those people.

Tiffany Mason:

They have played some of her stuff before.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, she's a crossover artist.

Tiffany Mason:

I mean, I could see that hannah and I love this song by brandon lake. It's called um a heartfelt hallelujah and it's kind of grungy. I mean it's a little bit of a grittier christian song and I almost passed out because it came on secular radio the other day and I was like hannah, Like they're playing Britain Lake, what is going on? It's kind of cool, All right. Well, Miss Reba McIntyre oh, she's celebrating 50 years in country music. I'm seeing that she continues to perform live Fancy remaining one of her favorite songs to perform. I actually interviewed yes, I actually interviewed a good friend of mine. She actually became. They became a huge sensation on youtube. Smelly belly that was their channel name. The kids have grown up and so they've revamped their image a little bit. But when the kids were little it was called smelly belly and tara is the mom's name and tara kind of had that story play out. So it was interesting to talk to her about the song and you know what she thought about it. Did you ever um interact with reba?

Jay Franze:

I've never worked with her but I've indirectly. You know, jeff king was on the show. He's played on all her records and he goes on on the road with her. He can't say enough. That's his like main artist. He's all what brookston done right now. But I think if you would ask him who his main artist is, I think he would say say Reba, he's been on all the TV shows, all the late night shows with her and stuff, and her studio was awesome. I told you she used to have the heliport on top of it and they had to shut that down because she was disturbing all the other studios in Nashville.

Tiffany Mason:

So yeah, everybody I know that has a connection to her loves her so yeah, everybody I know that has a connection to her loves her, didn't we see?

Jay Franze:

a story that she fell in love with that?

Tony Scott:

co-actor on no I thought you're.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh no, she didn't fall in love with you, jay. There's a show that she was on. Why can't I remember the name of it anyway? Reba um, no, no it was the name of her show. Right, she had another show came out not too long ago, maybe, I don't know, three years ago or something.

Jay Franze:

George, what was the name of Reba's other show?

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, george, tell us.

Jay Franze:

George is going to ask he's never going to come here again.

Tiffany Mason:

He's like that's it. These people are using that. They're putting me to work. I just came here to watch a show and now I'm working. I have to Google everything for these morons. Well, I was never so shocked as when I found out that my father-in-law that is like his big crush is Reba McIntyre.

Jay Franze:

I can see it. It wouldn't be my normal choice, nope it's not your type. We've established. I have a type.

Tiffany Mason:

She is a little bit chiseled, like you like, though, like you like, the really defined it's the power that she has.

Tony Scott:

Yeah.

Jay Franze:

I appreciate the talent. As long as she's singing, I could be with her all day.

Tiffany Mason:

Wow, okay, well, I'm going to move on to this. Honors and inductions. And Mr Kenny Chesney is joining the Country Music Hall of Fame. He is set to be inducted in the Hall of Fame this year, probably with their big hoopla that they're dealing with their 50 years, you know, bringing people in alongside June Carter I know we've talked about her before June Carter Cash, sorry. And Tony Brown, we talked about him before. This honor took Chesney by surprise as he recounted what, as he recounted to an intimate audience. That doesn't make sense to me.

Tony Scott:

At Hall of Fame announcement You're fired.

Tiffany Mason:

The announcement in Nashville, so.

Jay Franze:

We mentioned Tony Brown, and Tony Brown is one of the old school traditional style producers out of Nashville. He's one of the best, he's amazing and you know, I would say there's probably five producers out of Nashville that stand leaps and bounds above everybody else and Tony Brown's one of those, for sure. But Kenny Chesney's got some good music's commercial. It's you know sing-songy and I like it. It's got its place.

Tiffany Mason:

it's you know party type stuff well, we had neighbors in minnesota and they loved kenny chesney. And then her husband kind of resembled kenny chesney, like in stature shout out joe marthaler if you're listening but but his wife, peg, just absolutely loved Kenny Chesney. So he was always trying to you know Chesney himself up for his bride, but her, his music would come on and like the world would stop and she would just sing along and like go somewhere else in her mind, probably with Kenny.

Jay Franze:

All right folks question of the day, probably with Kenny alright folks question of the day, who is the best bass player of all time. It's a tough one, mark, you're the guest. You want to take the honors and go first, give us one.

Mark Badolato:

I gotta go with the tie between Geddy Lee and Steve Harris.

Jay Franze:

I literally just said give us one. He started with two yes, he fires people.

Tiffany Mason:

for that, he's an overachiever.

Jay Franze:

He's an overachiever. Tell us why.

Mark Badolato:

Just because the intricacy is of what they play and their musicianship and that they're just so different and varied and unique. I can hear either of them playing in a song, even if I don't know it's one of their songs, and can usually identify that that's them. There's very few musicians that are like that. Eddie Van Halen obviously not bass but guitar, but was one of those people and to me, on bass, geddy and Steve are those two, those two kind of guys.

Jay Franze:

George agrees with you. Geddy Lee, I'm going to go ahead and reserve my right to vote until later. So, Miss Tiffany, do you have any favorite bass players?

Tiffany Mason:

I do, you do, I do. I remember from previous episode you talked about being a bassist, so I would say Jay Francie, oh nice. So I would say Jay Francie. And I did see a pretty mean bassist when I went to go see Circe. So I would have to say Rich Labouti alright, again.

Jay Franze:

You said two, so you're fired as well. You're not following instructions either. You're an overachiever as well.

Mark Badolato:

Jake can only come up with one match in the front. He's just feeling inadequate.

Jay Franze:

Yes, that's exactly it. I would have to pull my name out of the running, since I'm probably the worst base player in the reserve world, but nonetheless, rich Labouti. On the other hand, you know, cersei, he's good, I'll give it to you.

Tiffany Mason:

Well, you can play two guitars, one of them being a bass.

Jay Franze:

He started on bass and he plays the bass pedals now when he's playing live.

Tiffany Mason:

How many basses can play the bass and the bass pedals?

Jay Franze:

I don't know. Alright, let's move on.

Tony Scott:

Caden Collins, I'll use his last name because he was a guest on the show Caden Collins.

Jay Franze:

He says Scotty Simpson.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh, no surprise there. Also a previous guest on the show he plays for the.

Jay Franze:

Oak Ridge Boys. All right, I'll take that. He also says Eric Harley Brown. I don't know who Eric Harley Brown is.

Mark Badolato:

George Google it.

Jay Franze:

Now you're taking orders from Mark.

Tiffany Mason:

You're a quick study, Mark.

Jay Franze:

Oh, that is funny, rena Freeman Watts. She gets her full name because she's been on the show before. She says Flea. It's not bad, not a bad choice at all. Charlotte says Roy, but I don't know Roy who. Charlotte, if you want to chime in and fill in, oh wait, lux Limousine follows up with saying it's Roy Husky Jr. Joe. Joe says Jocko Pistorius.

Mark Badolato:

Good choice.

Jay Franze:

No, I'm going to go ahead and write it down If we're going to vote for the best of it all. Jocko is up there for sure. Jocko played with what the Weather Report so one of the best in the world by far. Joe also says John whistle and james jamerson. I would say james jamerson for sure. What are your thoughts, mark?

Mark Badolato:

I don't know, james, actually, so I'll defer to you.

Jay Franze:

You say he's good. I don't have a mark, you're fired button. But if you find yourself coming back again, be prepared to have a fired button. Okay.

Tiffany Mason:

He lets all the power go to his head.

Jay Franze:

What happens? You give me buttons, I'm going to use them. Valerie Valerie is George's wife and she comes on and she says yes, george is my favorite bass player. She does say, but she's a little biased Joseph buddy. He says obviously the one and only Jay Franzi.

Tiffany Mason:

Smart.

Jay Franze:

Are you just sucking up, joe? Are you sucking up?

Tiffany Mason:

take it, it's fine dave.

Jay Franze:

Dave says paul mccartney, but he says, if you're gonna talk about studio players, james jameson or carol king. Carol king, she's a studio musician and she's extremely well known and she's a little older. She's played on thousands of hit records, so carol king is definitely a good choice. Another joe joe chimes in says john paul jones, bass player from led Zeppelin. Scotty Simpson, bass player for the Oak Ridge boys with us in the house.

Jay Franze:

He gets his full name because he's been on the show not only thanking Caden it's not only thinking, caden, but he is chiming in with Pino like Pinot Noir, I concur. Oh, pinot Grigio sandy just followed up and says no, scotty, I really think you're at the top oh. I love you, scott the session bassist there, you, you go.

Tiffany Mason:

And that's why Scotty knows him. He has played bass for a number of acts. So the who, john Mayer Trio, gary Newman, paul Young, don Henley, david Gilmour, go West, tears for Fears, nine Inch Nails, jeff Beck, adele and D'Angelo so he's played on a few records.

Jay Franze:

Pretty credible. All right, I don't want to leave anybody else. I'm going to go through these and try to get through them fairly quickly. Amanda follows up with yes, jocko, for sure. Brandon says I agree with Mark Getty. Carlos says flee, emily. Now, this was probably going to be my vote. Should I save Emily to the last as well, or should I spoil it now?

Tiffany Mason:

This is going to be your vote.

Jay Franze:

I think so.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay, then I think, save it to the end.

Jay Franze:

Alright, emily, please hang on.

Tiffany Mason:

Please hold.

Jay Franze:

Please go on standby. Derek says James Jameson, he's from the Funk Brothers. Laura says Paul McCartney Again, Paul McCartney, songwriter. I don't really think of him as a talented musician. Do you think the Beatles were talented? Mark like musicians I do.

Mark Badolato:

I think they're great songwriters, I think they're talented musicians. But would I put paul mccartney at the top of the bass players? No, like, he's a traditional bass player and you know he does a good job and he's obviously made a little more money yet that I have. But I just I, when you think of, like top bass players, he's obviously made a little more money yet than I have. But when you think of top bass players, he's not somebody that typically comes to mind to me, it's just more standard bass playing, I think.

Jay Franze:

Okay, let me take that a step further. Tangent who do you think is a better vocalist, Paul McCartney or Kelly Clarkson?

Mark Badolato:

Kelly Clarkson Thank you Sorry, Bob.

Tiffany Mason:

You get to stay. You've earned your way back on the show, all right um wait, I want to ask you guys both, when you're considering the criteria for being the best bassist, what, what do you? It's somebody who can use the whole. Is it called the strat, the whole strat, the neck, the whole neck. They can, yeah, don't do that. Okay, so they can use the whole neck. Or is it how fast they play? Is it that they collaborate well with others? Like what? What are you basing this off of?

Jay Franze:

you want to go first, you want me to go first?

Jay Franze:

you go first I think yes, I mean, when you're talking about the average bass player, hopefully they can play the player, hopefully they can play the whole neck and they can play the different parts of the neck at the proper times so you get the right tone for the right feel and the right song. But I think it's how you play the notes. It's not necessarily what notes you're playing, it's how you're playing them and if you're playing them appropriately. So you're playing a tasteful piece for a slower song maybe, but maybe you have the ability to rip and play fast on a song that might need that, like a Metallica song. That's part of what makes that bass player Mark. Do you remember what his name is? It's something that's very hard to pronounce.

Mark Badolato:

Robert.

Jay Franze:

Trujillo, trujillo, thank you, oh it's because you're from Arizona. He is a monster.

Mark Badolato:

I feel the double L thing.

Jay Franze:

I would not have gotten that right. But he's a monster at the bass for that style of music for sure. But, like some of these others that have been mentioned, james Jamerson or even Marcus Miller is coming up. Dennis Dennis is Marcus Miller. Marcus Miller is a killer bass player, I mean, just one of the best. But it's knowing what to play, when to play it, the feel of how you're playing it, how your fingers are touching the fretboard Mark. What are your thoughts?

Mark Badolato:

I think it's a lot of what you're talking about too, but it's not even necessarily speed or how many notes they play, but knowing what to play or how to keep in the groove or what kind of intricate bass lines they're doing. And you know underneath everything, because you know bass and drums form the rhythm section of a song and you know how are they in lockstep and what kind of, what kind of bass lines are they playing to. You know compliment, everything else that's going on in the song, and you know, you know speed is part of it. You know intric else that's going on in the song, and you know you know speed is part of it. You know intricacy of what they're doing, like different scales, what their choices are that they're making when they're, when they're coming up with their bass lines, and you know you just you hear a uniqueness in some of these players that you just don't hear in other people, unless you're trying to copy what they're doing do you think it's fair to say?

Tiffany Mason:

it's almost like you know how we talked about distinctive voices. It's like some players just play at a skill or whatever. That it's kind of like having a unique voice, almost.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, it's definitely a unique voice, like Mark mentioned earlier, when you hear somebody perform without seeing them and you can still tell who it is. And it's like having a large vocabulary. You know you don't use it at all times, but when you need to use it it's there for you. And it's also being poetic. You know anybody can read you a story, but some people can just read you a story and draw you in. So it's the same thing with all of this stuff.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay, fair enough.

Jay Franze:

Aaron says Les Claypool, he played with Primus, still plays with Primus, extremely, extremely talented. And again, it's a whole different language when he plays. He's not playing English.

Mark Badolato:

He does a lot of slot face too, doesn't he?

Jay Franze:

It's one of those things where it's like this at all times His hands just like shaking. It's convulsing things. Where it's like this at all times His hands just like shaking he's convulsing Too much coffee. Tanisha new here. Thank you for being here with us, but Tanisha says Bootsy Collins Parliament Funkadelic. I have to say it's low, mark. You'll realize here. I am not good at speaking fast and Tiffany's not good at remembering things. You think I'm bad, you?

Mark Badolato:

don't have to remind me of that. I've known you almost 40 years.

Jay Franze:

You think I have a bad memory. Oh, jason says that we're wrong. He says Jay Mark, you are wrong. If we're talking about Metallica, we're talking about Cliff Burton.

Mark Badolato:

Oh, absolutely. But well, metallica has had three phenomenal basses. I just didn't mention Cliff because Jay was talking about Robert, but Cliff was a beast as well too, and he was a very musically inclined person, like. He knew a lot of music theory and was a lot of the reason that their first couple of albums sounded the way they do, because of his ear for things and the way they arranged it and what he brought to the table. And cliff is a madman all right.

Jay Franze:

Due to time, I'm going to move you in faster what all the guys say true statement we don't have to go fast because the feeling is the same to us. Nate Fair enough. Nate says Billy Sheehan when he played with Mr Big and also he played with David Lee Roth, but Billy Sheehan is one of my favorites. Yes, it's hard to narrow this list down. It's a tough list.

Mark Badolato:

We saw Billy that David Lee Roth show we were talking about. Billy was the bass player at the time, steve Vai on the guitar. That was a hell of a band.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, yeah, that's a talented band. David Lee Roth had no problem with picking some of the best players in the world, and he had to If he was going to go on the road and compete like a reason for leaving Van Halen and compete at all. He had to have the best of the best, so and he did.

Mark Badolato:

I say a lot of people say that first album Eat Em and Smile. They say that was what the next Van Halen album should have been, instead of what Van Halen came out with with Sammy, which was a great album in its own right.

Jay Franze:

Right, yeah, absolutely I agree. Harper says what are we doing? We're not mentioning Geezer, geezer Butler from Black Sabbath. There's just too many. Greg says Donald Duck, dunn. Jordan says what about Sting and Riley? I cannot. I mean, I appreciate you being here and all, but I cannot agree with Mike Durnt from Green Day being one of the best bass players. Sorry, and Alicia forget it for sure. Nikki Sixx is not one of the best bass players ever.

Mark Badolato:

I think even Nikki will admit that no. I mean Alright.

Jay Franze:

I think we have enough to cast our votes, so let me go down the list of what I've made note of and aren't we gonna get your pick? Oh, you want my pick yeah, what was it, emily? She's been holding for a long time, sorry, it's gonna be even worse if you've missed her pisses me off more than when I hold this whole time it is emily. See, you were afraid that I wouldn't be able to go a long time.

Tiffany Mason:

Guess what.

Jay Franze:

Emily. All right, Emily, not yet. When I lived in Nashville, I took bass lessons from a guy named Reggie. Reggie was an absolutely amazing musician and Reggie had a handful of brothers. He was the eldest of the brothers and he taught all of his brothers how to play their instruments, including the bass player that I like. So I took lessons from Reggie, who also taught my favorite bass player. Reggie and the brothers have a band called the Wooten Brothers. If you ever have a chance to go see the Wooten Brothers, when I lived there they played at 3rd and Lindsley every Wednesday night. Small, intimate venue, great place to go see them. But the Wooten Brothers bass player was Victor Wooten. Victor Wooten plays for Bella, Fleck and the Flecktomes and, judging by the look on you and Mark's face, neither one of you know who he is. Man, that's going to be a hard one for me to put on the top of this list. It was a good story, Jay.

Jay Franze:

Emily says Victor Wooten. All right, fine, emily, I agree with you, but let's see who ends up on top, because I picked lizzie hale and somehow pat benatar ended up on top. So, and lizzie hale, sorry, I mean your song, your, your latest darkness, always wins great song, but man, it's a slow start, slow start. I've been listening to it more and more just to see if I still agree with that theory.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, I do like the song a lot. All right, here's the list. Bootsy Collins We'll put him up against Jocko.

Tiffany Mason:

I'm going to say Bootsy because the name is cool.

Jay Franze:

I can understand your theory, Mark. Can we get a more technical response out of you?

Mark Badolato:

I would probably go with Jocko over the two of those, but to be fair, I'm not familiar with either of them. Deep catalog just a few songs each.

Jay Franze:

I'm going with Jocko Absolutely.

Tiffany Mason:

Wow, alright, going with Jocko, absolutely.

Jay Franze:

Wow, all right, let's go with Les Claypool or Flea.

Tiffany Mason:

I'll say Flea, because most people say Flea or it was mentioned multiple times.

Jay Franze:

Technical answer Mark.

Mark Badolato:

That's a tough one. I would probably go with Les over flea on that, but I think fleas got some great stuff too.

Jay Franze:

George, but you can chime in at any time, or any of these as well, but I am going with less as well, yeah, all right, then we got like y'all don't like my logic, or what? No, I love your logic.

Tiffany Mason:

I can't persuade you guys to come to my side.

Jay Franze:

Oh, george says flee, that would give us a tie, george, really.

Tiffany Mason:

Because George is on my side.

Jay Franze:

Alright, we'll hold on to both of them until the next round. James Jameson or Victor Wooten? We already know who I'm going with, tiffany. Victor Wooten how fun is it to say the Wooten Boys or Victor.

Tiffany Mason:

Wooten. We already know who I'm going with Tiffany Victor Wooten. How fun is it to say the Wooten boys or the Wooten band?

Jay Franze:

The Wooten brothers.

Tiffany Mason:

The Wooten brothers. That's what I said.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, that's what I thought I just wanted to make sure I heard you right, yeah, mark.

Mark Badolato:

I would go with Victor on there. I don't know I. I would go with Victor on there. I don't even know who James is and Victor, I know minimal stuff, but I've heard of him. All right, Just my criteria there. Tiffany, I'm with you on that.

Tiffany Mason:

I heard of him too tonight about 10 minutes ago.

Jay Franze:

All right, moving on to the next round. It's going to be a tough one. I am going to put Jocko up against Les Claypool.

Tiffany Mason:

I mean Jocko's, more fun to say.

Jay Franze:

Mark for the technical answer.

Mark Badolato:

Probably Jocko, but I've got to ask what happened to Getty? He got a few votes earlier. Where did he go?

Jay Franze:

All right, we'll put Getty back on the list. He was so good he skipped round one.

Mark Badolato:

Oh, okay, he got the golden buzzer.

Jay Franze:

good he got the golden buzzer he advanced a couple of rounds so, as far as jocko, and who were you on jocko and les claypool tiffany, you chose jocko because you like the way it sounds and Mark, who did you choose? Jocko, jocko.

Tiffany Mason:

That's a tough one for me.

Jay Franze:

Jocko is probably the better bass player, but I like Les Claypool better, so sorry, les Jocko, all right, and then Flea or Victor Wooten.

Tiffany Mason:

I mean, you can't get a more fun name to say than Wooten Wooten Brothers. It's like woo-hoo Wooten Mark.

Mark Badolato:

I'm going with Flea only because I know his work and I don't know much of Victor's.

Jay Franze:

All right, I'm going with Victor's, so Victor's advancing George says he can't spell Wooten. I think you spelled it just fine right there, buddy, it looks like it's right. All right, geddy, lee or Jocko.

Mark Badolato:

Geddy for me.

Tiffany Mason:

I just like Mark. So I'm going to say Getty because I like Mark.

Jay Franze:

George, Getty Lee or Jocko. I am saying Jocko, I need George to chime in to give me any chance whatsoever.

Tiffany Mason:

George, think long and hard about it. Choose wisely.

Jay Franze:

He says Geddy Lee, george, where is it?

Tony Scott:

George, you're fired.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh, oh, oh.

Jay Franze:

All right. So Jocko buddy sorry Geddy Lee or Victor Wooten for the win. What happened to me on the other one?

Mark Badolato:

I think we know my answer on this one.

Jay Franze:

Oh, you're still going with your answer, huh.

Tiffany Mason:

I'm going with Geddy, I'm going with Wooten.

Jay Franze:

George Geddy Lee or Victor Wooten. I want it to be spelled like W-H-U-T-I or Victor Wooten.

Tiffany Mason:

I want it to be spelled like W-H-U-T-I-N Wooten Wooten.

Jay Franze:

You could want that, but you'd be wrong. Alright, I'm going with Victor. So we've got two for Victor and one for Geddy. Damn it, george. And George says Getty, we have a tie.

Tony Scott:

What are we?

Jay Franze:

doing in case of a tie. Somebody please break our tie.

Tiffany Mason:

We need somebody help us.

Jay Franze:

That's not what I. I don't want a buzzer. Hold on, let's try that again. Holly, jay, holly, jay Holly says Victor Wooten.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh, the final vote came in.

Tony Scott:

Jay, you're awesome, no.

Jay Franze:

Just got to go with whatever AI Trump says.

Tiffany Mason:

Why do you get that? You're awesome, but we get fired.

Jay Franze:

I don't know, that's just what he said.

Tiffany Mason:

Is that what AI Trump said?

Jay Franze:

Okay, Holly, thank you.

Tiffany Mason:

Victor.

Jay Franze:

Wooten, I appreciate you. All right, I'm okay with that.

Tiffany Mason:

All right. Bill Burr latest special drop dead years. It's recently dropped and it is praised for showcasing personal growth and artistic evolution, positioning him as a contender for one of the greatest stand-up comedians ever. I know that you are a big fan, jay. His willingness to be honest about his current self despite audience expectations has been highlighted as a bold move.

Jay Franze:

He is from where.

Tiffany Mason:

Boston.

Jay Franze:

What color is his hair?

Tiffany Mason:

Red Red.

Jay Franze:

He comes across as a Bostonian doing comedy. Yeah, yeah. I do appreciate the fact that he's straightforward, but he is like real hardcore Bostonian to me and some of his stuff you don't know when he's kidding, so it comes across pretty harsh sometimes, but anyways I like him overall.

Tiffany Mason:

I like anybody who can be real.

Mark Badolato:

Oh, I love Bill. I think he's great and I think part of it is exactly what you're saying is the whole Boston connection there too, because I think we understand the attitude, you know, and that's what makes it even funnier.

Jay Franze:

He's a mess hole for sure.

Mark Badolato:

Oh yeah, no, I think he's great and I keep waiting for him to come around here so I can go see him live.

Tiffany Mason:

Mr Conan O'Brien, another Bostonian, redheaded.

Jay Franze:

So you got red hair yeah.

Tiffany Mason:

Received the prestigious Mark Twain Prize for American Humor at the Kennedy Center, celebrated with Netflix special May 4th, featuring tributes from comedians like John Mulaney, will Ferrell and Bill Burr. Bill who Bill Burr?

Jay Franze:

I like Conan as well.

Tiffany Mason:

I'm a big fan of Will Ferrell.

Jay Franze:

Yeah.

Tiffany Mason:

Them saying that comedians like that Will Ferrell, like seriously in any movie, I'm there for it front and center, the whole movie too, Like I'm not messing around my phone or nothing.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, who was it? Grayson Russell that was on the show? That said he was just super nice?

Tiffany Mason:

I think I would like to have Will Ferrell be a uncle or something, or cousin at holidays. I think I told you right, that's like my. My measure, If I really like them or not, is if I start envisioning holidays. You know a little bit of bourbon and a funny person.

Jay Franze:

You are a little disturbing from time to time.

Tiffany Mason:

Why.

Jay Franze:

I don't know.

Tiffany Mason:

Bourbon's delicious.

Jay Franze:

No, I'm not talking about the bourbon part. I'm talking about your theory of. I like to picture them in my holiday tables.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, yeah, can't you imagine just just shooting the crap with them and then you go to take a sip and they say something funny to one of your kids and then you got bourbon coming up through the nose?

Jay Franze:

That's exactly how I picture my holidays.

Tiffany Mason:

I have a very active imagination, Jay.

Jay Franze:

True story.

Tiffany Mason:

Anywho, david Spade Latest stand-up special is Dandelion. It's now streaming on Prime Video. I can't wait to check it out. The special features Spade's signature sardonic humor Speaking of a large vocabulary that you don't use very often. Sardonic humor touching on celebrity culture, personal anecdotes and life observations. I think he'd be pretty funny.

Jay Franze:

I think he's funny. I just he's one of those acquired tastes.

Tiffany Mason:

I think he could also be like a little bit could go a long way.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah, I like speed. I the last couple of standup specials of his. I've seen them. I thought they were great. I like his sarcastic sense of humor and his kind of way of approaching it.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, I like that time when Chris Farley and David Spade were doing all those movies together. Dan Aykroyd I liked all those movies and his sarcasm Good comedic timing All right movies and his sarcasm and yeah, good, good comedic timing, all right. Dave chappelle recently jokes about kevin spacey's special having sparked backlash, with some viewers upset over references to spacey's alleged harassment victim I don't have any problem with it, mark.

Jay Franze:

Does it bother you when people make jokes like that?

Mark Badolato:

no, because because I think context is key. And you know, when they're talking about certain subjects or talking about certain people, yeah, they are making digs at it, but they're also making jokes around the subject and to me there's pretty much no subject that is off limits, as long as the context is correct. I mean, if you're doing it just to be a jerk are you're doing it just, you know, to be controversial, or you're doing it for those kind of reasons, those are the wrong reasons. But if you've got something to say and there's something around it, it's not necessarily a bad thing. It might not be your taste, but you know that doesn't mean that just because you don't like it, the rest of the world shouldn't be be allowed to like it either.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay, well, my song was God and Guns N' Roses. That's true, tyler Braden.

Jay Franze:

All right.

Tiffany Mason:

I'm not asking you.

Jay Franze:

I was going to give a little bit of history before you just jump in it. You talk about men wanting to finish fast. Holy cow. I was just going to say we've added this. I told you Metallica. That's true, mark. She chose Metallica as the music to make. Whoopee too, I said it gave whole new meaning to enter sandman.

Jay Franze:

Anyways, let's not go there, let's not take our left right now we started a new segment called recommendations, where we would like to recommend music. Because of tiffany's vast knowledge of the entertainment industry, we would like to recommend some music, so we have chosen to go back and forth. Last week I introduced a song by a band called cersei.

Tiffany Mason:

Now miss tiffany so tyler braden, uh, and the song is god and Roses, and I did look up barely a little bit of information about him and he is from Slapport, alabama, and he has actually performed with Luke Bryan and Bruxen Dunn.

Jay Franze:

Okay.

Tiffany Mason:

Is that the end of that story?

Jay Franze:

This is your pick.

Tiffany Mason:

Okay. So I will tell you why I chose it. So I like that def lepper, guns and roses, aerosmith, that's, that's. I just have such strong memories of being on the bus, shelly mckeever, her pink tape recorder, she put the tape in, we listened to the whole way to swim lessons, and so it's fun for me that they um, it's called God and Guns N' Roses and they allude to the Guns N' Roses titles and it's just kind of clever. And I think I've mentioned before I love really clever lyrics and so I like the intertwining of the titles of some of the Guns N' Roses songs and I like there's like a little weird thing when he says the word side, he sings the word side. When he says of the B side, she knew every all of B side or whatever I don't have the lyrics memorized, but anyway, when he says the word side, it's like a little, you know, not vocal acrobats necessarily, but there's like a little switch of the notes right there and I think that that's kind of cool. Thank you, and inflection yes.

Jay Franze:

Mark, let me just point out to you here the rules of this game. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't just be a segment of ours if we didn't turn it into a game. So the rules of this game we like to think of the quality of the song, the quality of the performance and then the quality of the production, so that way we can rate our scale on whatever that is and we can kind of decide whether or not we think it's a quality song. Fair enough, Sure, All right. So you got anything else to add to this one? I will add this that it is Paradise City, Right.

Tiffany Mason:

So you got anything else to add to this one, miss Tiffany? I will add this that it is Paradise City. And there's another song out by Russell Dickerson that just came out and it's called Happened to Me and he's talking about her being on the dance floor singing to Paradise City. And remember we talked about when the song came out about selling the truck. They had to sell the truck because it reminded them too much of the girls.

Jay Franze:

Was that a country song? Yes, I get confused, because normally when I think of country, I don't think of a song about a truck.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a truck in there. So two songs came out about a truck at that time, and so I think it's interesting that now it's happening again where these two songs came out, and they're both talking about Paradise City.

Jay Franze:

Clever, I see how you tied it in there, all right. Well, mark, do you want to give a general thought on the song itself?

Mark Badolato:

I agree with Tiffany that it's cool with the mentioning of some of the Guns N' Roses songs in there. So if you're familiar with Guns N' Roses, it's always cool to hear that you mentioned where he's talking about the word B-sides. Does anybody even know what a B-side is anymore? That's the biggest question. Sneaking that lyric in there and people are like what does that mean?

Jay Franze:

How do I flip this MP3?

Tiffany Mason:

That's a good point. That's a really good point, Mark that's a good point.

Jay Franze:

That's a really good point, mark. I mean I agree with both of you. I think the song's clever. So if we're going to talk about that first portion of our rating system and the quality of a song, I think lyrically it's a really good song. But I mean it's, it's a natural song. They're. They write stories all day long. They write very clever stories. I think that's a very good one.

Jay Franze:

Um rain ball, he's one of the songwriters and he's very clever. I'll give it to him. So I appreciate the cleverness of that. But if we take it a step further, rain and um Sam Martinez are the two producers from the song.

Jay Franze:

When you bring two producers in, a lot of times they can butt heads when producing a song, because the whole point of a producer is to guide a project the way you think it's going to be. So these two people are different, where Rain wrote the song and Rain was also involved in the editing of the song. So if he's involved in the editing of the song, that tells me he wrote the song and he's editing and arranging it the way he wants to hear it as the engineer. However, when Sam came in, sam is the person who actually recorded it. So that's telling me he's the person running things when their musicians are playing. So Rain is also a performer, so he was in the room playing while Sam's recording, and then it probably leads me to believe that Sam is more of a technical engineer and probably led the session and probably assisted in the mixing.

Jay Franze:

So I think to me those two different types of producers blend well in this case.

Tiffany Mason:

Would a band or an artist or whatever know to request two producers, or how do you end up with two producers? It feels to me like too many cooks in the kitchen.

Jay Franze:

I think it's up to probably the lead producer. They bring in somebody who specializes in something else. A lot of times people call them session leads or lead musician instead of two different producers. So like when Bob Bullock is producing a record, he's got Chris Lusinger in there with him.

Tiffany Mason:

Chris.

Jay Franze:

Lusinger is the one communicating the technical information to the musicians. He's the one charting the songs and he's the one communicating how those charts are going to be read and performed. Where Bob is talking about feeling and sounds, chris is talking about technical stuff. In the past I've worked a lot with a guy named Jim Cristaldi. We've produced records together. Jim Cristaldi is extremely musically gifted and he's good at performing all the instruments. He's good at writing the songs. He's good at all of that stuff where I'm more of the engineer. So even though I know what I want to hear and I'll do the editing and arranging and that type of stuff, jim is the guy who's guiding things musically.

Jay Franze:

So Jim would be, the Chris Lusinger and I would be the Bob Bullock in that scenario.

Tony Scott:

That's the way I think of it anyway. Okay.

Jay Franze:

Not to go too far off track here, but because we're talking about the producers I forget the guy's name, but the guy who just produced the new Hailstorm record. He took an extremely different approach with Hailstorm and that's why the record sounds as different as it does. He took an approach where Lizzy Hale came in and said okay, these are the songs that we've been working on. Here's 10 to 15 songs, let's go ahead and work through them. And he said no, I'm going to go ahead and push those aside. He goes I want you to write songs right now.

Tiffany Mason:

Whoa.

Jay Franze:

And as they were writing them right then, and there he's pressing record, so he's recording their thoughts and turn those thoughts into the finished recording. He didn't even have them rerecord it. Literally, I'm pressing record as you're thinking and I'm going to turn these thoughts into the finished recording. So that's why the album has a completely different feel than their previous records oh interesting, I'm gonna go listen to all of it now yeah anyways.

Jay Franze:

so if we're going to take it from the, the three pillars that we discuss, let's start with the quality of the writing. What are your thoughts on the writing Epic? Give me a scale of one to three, three being the best.

Tiffany Mason:

I mean I have to go three because I like clever.

Jay Franze:

Okay, mark, one to three.

Mark Badolato:

I would go two, because I think it is clever, but at the same time I mean you've got a few guns and roses songs mentioned in there, but other than that I mean it's a typical, you know storytelling, you know kind of song in there. There wasn't anything that stood out to me beyond that.

Jay Franze:

That's a tough one. I give it three because it's clever and I think they did a good job writing it. But I see your point.

Tiffany Mason:

You know, if we had a half scale I'd probably go two and a half. But because we don't I mean, it's our show, jay, it is our show. We do whatever the f we want to do.

Jay Franze:

You know what? That's true, but then that would mean I'd have to remember math and I'd have to start writing things down so I'm gonna go with three so we've got a.

Jay Franze:

we got an eight on the start here. All right. So the next is the performance. How well do we think the song was performed? So I'll start there. I mean, we use Nashville musicians, we use Nashville producers and we sang in one of the best studios in the world and we did all this. So I'm going to say that the performance to me was a three. I agree, the performance to me was a three.

Tiffany Mason:

I agree. And I agree because I like the tonality of his voice and I like that little inflection that he does when he says the word side sings the word side. It has a haunting feel at the beginning of the intro as well. Yeah, that's a good word. I was trying to think of what I wanted melancholy but that wasn't really right. Yeah, a's a good word. I was trying to think of what I wanted melancholy but that wasn't really right, yeah, a little haunting.

Jay Franze:

Mark your thoughts on the performance aspect of the song.

Mark Badolato:

I thought it was good. I would go with probably a three on there, since we don't have half stars so I can't do two and a half, but yeah, I mean, you know it sounded good, it was good quality, the musicians sounded good, the the musicians sounded good, the vocals sounded good. Sounded good to me, well produced.

Jay Franze:

Three across the board, that's nine. All right now the actual production, the recording, the mixing, the editing or the mastering of the recording.

Tiffany Mason:

How well do you think the production was? I mean, like you say, it's a Nashville recording. It's clean, there's not. He's not off anywhere, anywhere. There's not any sometimes. Do you ever notice like the backups are equal or almost louder, or somehow they stand out some way, shape or form? I mean, you probably know how to do that, but I don't like that. Like I want to be tricked. I want to think it's one voice and on that recording I'm tricked.

Jay Franze:

There you go, Mark. Thoughts on the production.

Mark Badolato:

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of what I said a minute ago too that I thought the production sounded, you know, good. And you know, then again, you know, in today's day and age, with the digital tools that we have, I mean you, jay, know better than anybody with your pool for this background, that you know pretty much any production that's done professionally is going to sound pretty damn good, unless you've got a producer that's going for something really weird and it just doesn't land correctly. But I thought the production value of it was good.

Jay Franze:

Yeah, so I go three yeah, I agree, dave klaus is the engineer who mixed it I mean I think he did a great job mean, when you're dealing with those amazing players and the best studios and all of that stuff, you've got good material to work with. But, like Miss Tiffany said, even though you have good material to work with, it still takes a true artist to be able to blend it and mix it together and make it sound as good as it could possibly sound. And in my opinion, even though as a mix engineer, there might be things that I would do differently, I think this person did what they felt was the best and I think they did a great job. So, dave klaus, good job way to go, so I would give it a three, so that's nine.

Jay Franze:

So it's shy of a perfect score by one, one point I know good music.

Mark Badolato:

Jay, let me ask you a question based on something you just said there. When you listen to music typically, do you usually listen to it from an engineer standpoint, or do you listen to it from a fan standpoint, engineer standpoint.

Jay Franze:

I mentioned this on the show once before. If you were to look at my apple library, my library of music, it is sorted by engineer and producer, and part of that's because I used to teach at the engineering college and when I would teach the students I would you know. If they mentioned a song I would say, well, that was mixed by this person, that was engineered by this person or produced. That way it teaches the students what to look for, but it also allows you to get to know who's in the industry. You know, most people aren't going to hear the name Dave Klaus, and they should, because he's the talent that brought that song to life. If it wasn't for him, that song could have easily been mixed poorly and it could take the magic away from it. So I I think I listened to this, this three pillar system, but I think I always started with the production, because if the production doesn't sound good, I don't want to listen to the song. It's got to sound good first and then I can get into. How well is the song?

Tiffany Mason:

written or how does it make?

Jay Franze:

me feel yeah very good. George, I don't know if you had a chance to listen to it, but please tell us your thoughts as well. Anybody else, if you know the song, tell us your thoughts. But I think it was a good song overall, not a bad pick. I've heard of the song at this point, but I've never listened to it, so it was good to actually take a moment to listen to it, and not only listen to it but, as we say, critically, listen to it.

Tiffany Mason:

See if you could tear me down when you got on the show. I don't want to tear you down.

Tony Scott:

I want to find good music.

Jay Franze:

That's what I want. That's the whole purpose of this is to open each other up to good quality music or great quality music. Let's say that Great we don't want good we want great Right, all right. My chance to recommend one.

Tiffany Mason:

Yes, lay it on me.

Jay Franze:

All right, maddie M-A-T-T-Y. Mcree M-C-R-E-E. Maddie McRee In the song title track of the album Closer to More, and it was hard to pick a song, but I'm going with Closer to More and it was hard to pick a song, but I'm going with Closer to More. Okay, I've written it down, All right. Well, what?

Tiffany Mason:

else we got going on. Well, why don't you tell us about what you have going on?

Jay Franze:

I would be happy to tell you about what I have going on.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, who you been talking to.

Jay Franze:

This week I had a chance to talk with Sherry Rowe. Sherry Rowe, country artist out of Arizona. We've got Arizona going around the horn tonight.

Tiffany Mason:

Arizona in the house.

Jay Franze:

George wanted to make sure we knew that he was from Arizona as well. We know that, George. We could not possibly forget it.

Jay Franze:

So, everybody's from Arizona and if it wasn't for Mr Long-haired Mark here, I wouldn't know anything about Arizona. But Mark had me move out to Arizona to go to Arizona State and I lasted one semester. Because of the brutal heat I changed all my classes to night classes. It was 122 degrees a day. I got there and this was before cell phones. So when I got there and I had to pick up a pay phone to call Mark and I burnt my hand. But I did go back to Arizona State later in life, online, and I did finish my program. So it took a while but I finished that program because the OCD in me couldn't leave it unfinished. But yes, I talked to Cherie Rowe. George says she was amazing, she was a really talented artist, or is a very talented artist, and she was a very good person to talk to. It was fun. But this week Gina Fritz that was released on Monday Gina Fritz was a or is a I keep saying was Make it sound like these people have passed away.

Tiffany Mason:

I don't mean that, gina you're still with us.

Jay Franze:

We love you she has been gina fritz is a rock closer to the metal style of music. Very good artist and very colorful hair. Oh, all right. Well, last couple things I want to mention. I can't go without mentioning my daughters, because that's the activities that I seem to do throughout the week. Lucy had another dance competition over at the casino. It was at Belterra in. Indiana. Anyways, we were there. She performed again. They got one more competition left. This year it will be in Northern Ohio, Sandusky.

Jay Franze:

And that's coming sometime this summer, and that's the one where I want to see my daughter shine.

Tiffany Mason:

So we will see.

Jay Franze:

And then Bella, of course she. This is something for everybody. I need your help. Bella needs your help. My daughter, bella. She has a TikTok account. She has a TikTok account and she's trying to make it grow. So she's made it public and she has done a couple of videos now of her doing cover tunes of songs with sign language.

Jay Franze:

And she did another one yesterday. I think it was of a song from Hamilton, the play the really fast one, yes, and she's doing sign language to it and it took off like a mofo. I mean, I looked at it this morning. I was super impressed that she had 12,000 views on it and a few thousand likes or whatever.

Tiffany Mason:

Wow, that's pretty talented, holy cow on the way home it was up over 40 something thousand views, and you know it was like 7 000 likes and shares well, first of all people love that song and then I can imagine from other of her tiktok videos she probably has a little attitude, you know, while she, while she's doing it Right, and so then that makes it entertaining to watch. And then just to realize, like to do that and I mean it's kind of like singing along and dancing, almost kind of in a way. I mean it's a skill set, right.

Jay Franze:

On TikTok. Apparently she was looking for a thousand followers so she can join their TikTok partner program, or whatever they call it Right yep, and she was a few hundred people shy of that and she gained it overnight. From all of these views, she gained that overnight.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

Jay Franze:

And she talks about FND, which is the disorder that she was diagnosed with functional neurologic disorder, that she was diagnosed with functional neurologic disorder. She talks about that and then she talks about fashion and her outfits and all that girly stuff. Yep, nonetheless, very proud of her. She did a great job um, memories with the beats.

Tiffany Mason:

I have a new episode coming out, but I'm not able to do as many of the review ones where we go watch live music, because my cohost went up to Virginia to take care of some things. That's where she used to live. Her dad still lives up there. She's seen him and she ended up with pancreatitis, had her have her pancreas removed or I don't. I don't really know what you do for that anyway.

Jay Franze:

Did she have it removed already? That's like an emergency thing. She probably did, anyway. Did you have it removed already? That's like an emergency thing.

Tiffany Mason:

She probably did yeah on Monday.

Jay Franze:

I was going to ask her to save it for me.

Tiffany Mason:

Why do you want to?

Jay Franze:

I want to see what it looks like when I had my gallbladder removed. I asked the doctor to save the gallstones for me, and he did. He put them in a jar and they look like milk doves.

Tiffany Mason:

Oh yeah, they say those all the time, yeah.

Jay Franze:

They look like milk doves, same size. I mean, sorry, I'm a little strange, I guess I just wanted to see what they looked like.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, that was a little strange.

Mark Badolato:

I did not ask for mine, thanks.

Jay Franze:

My wife's like why do we have this? I just wanted to see what they were. Now I can't find them, so guess what probably happened to those things.

Tiffany Mason:

Lucy.

Jay Franze:

Lucy, they weren't milk duds.

Tiffany Mason:

It's your April fool's prank next year. Okay, so I am disappointed, but that is what's happening right now, with women making memories to beat, so we'll hopefully get to pick that back up when she's feeling much better. I have tried to find a couple of like villains and it's kind of fallen short. Well, I took a trip up to Rhode Island to assist one of my clients. That was very fun, although I was kind of bummed. I didn't really get to see anything. You know like I got in at midnight and then Saturday was all day at the convention and I had to call my dear friend Jay to say can you tell me something about this piece of equipment? And you were very helpful. Thank you very much, jay. To the rescue, yes, even from Indiana.

Jay Franze:

I wish I could have been there, because I was supposed to be in Boston that weekend. I could have taken you out. We could have had some cool food. Boston, mark I always say Boston the thing I miss the most is the food.

Tiffany Mason:

Yep, absolutely. Yeah, yes, so that was fun. And then tomorrow one of my clients is launching their podcast, so that's very exciting. It's called Trust your Inner Sense and her daughter has Williams syndrome. It's kind of like Down syndrome. In the second episode her daughter explains what it is, but she says it very fast and I'm not familiar enough yet with the syndrome to really speak to it so much. But it was a great interview. The episode number two it was a great interview. The episode number two.

Tiffany Mason:

And the lady herself. She has these organic beauty products and they have affirmations in the back of the bottle and in the beginning I was like you know, oh, okay, I don't know, it's a little, you know woo-woo or you know whatever. But sure enough, every day when I'm shampooing up I read them. So they are effective and I'm excited to you, to. You know, like each client, you never know what they're going to bring to the table. But after editing the first couple of episodes, I think it's going to be a solid podcast and I'm excited for the content coming up. So that's what I got going on, yeah we'll have to check that out.

Jay Franze:

Mark you get anything going on.

Mark Badolato:

I'm looking forward to memorial day weekend, when us and a bunch of friends usually get together and, you know, just hang out for the entire weekend and have a grand old time.

Jay Franze:

Awesome. Those are some of the best weekends.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, do you guys camp.

Mark Badolato:

No, we usually just go take over like a VRBO or something like that. Oh yeah, drink by the pool and you know, just have a lot of laughs.

Jay Franze:

Boom Boom, all right, folks, well we a lot of laughs. And boom boom, all right, folks. Well, we have done it. We have reached the top of the hour.

Tiffany Mason:

We have reached the top of our two oh, you're trying to sign language like your daughter no, I'm definitely not trying to?

Jay Franze:

no, I'm just trying to count on my hand, which is still proving to be challenging. I don't know how she does all the extra stuff I can't even count to one and two.

Tiffany Mason:

We've reached the top of the hour, the second hour, which means we've reached the end of the show the second time.

Jay Franze:

If you've enjoyed the show, please tell a friend If you have not Miss Tiffany.

Tiffany Mason:

Tell two.

Jay Franze:

You can reach out to both of us, even Mark Hell. Mark will join in too. You can reach out to all three of us over at jayfranze. com. We will be happy to keep the conversation going and also join us on the socials. We'd love to talk to you, miss Tiffany my friend, any final words for us tonight?

Tiffany Mason:

Yes, remember, the next big hit might just be a chord away.

Jay Franze:

That's beautiful, mark. We'd like to thank you for joining us away. That's beautiful, mark. I'd like to thank you for joining us tonight. It's been a pleasure, yeah.

Mark Badolato:

Thanks for having me. It was fun to crash and I felt like I got to hang out with you for the first time in a long, long time. Great to talk with you too, so thanks for having me on here.

Tiffany Mason:

Yeah, awesome.

Jay Franze:

All right folks On that note have a good night. Thanks, all right folks On that note.

Tony Scott:

have a good night. Thanks for listening to The Jay Franzi Show. Make sure you visit us at jayfranze. com. Follow, connect and say hello.

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