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The Jay Franze Show: Country Music - News | Reviews | Interviews
Southern Rock Songs That Shaped The Genre, Best Debut Album, and Country Music News
A list can be a time machine. We kick off by diving into 35 Southern rock songs that didn’t just top bar jukeboxes—they built a genre’s backbone. Skynyrd, The Allman Brothers, ZZ Top, 38 Special, and more set the rules on groove, grit, and guitar heroics, and we ask the hard question: who shaped the sound versus who reflected it back? That sparks a bigger conversation about authenticity and the future of music as an AI-generated act climbs a country chart. Are we celebrating craft or sidelining it? We draw clear lines—AI is a powerful tool for arrangements, virtual players, and sonic polish, but the human heart should stay at the center for lyrics and lead vocals. Think drum machines and MIDI as useful tools, not replacements. Maybe it’s time for new categories—Produced With AI or Best AI-Directed Track—so innovation and integrity can coexist.
We also run a listener-fueled bracket to crown the best debut album. Expect fireworks as Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, Chris Stapleton, Van Halen, Guns N’ Roses, Alanis Morissette, and Boston square off. The final verdict celebrates a debut that fused tone, engineering genius, and melody into a once-in-a-generation statement. Between segments, we spotlight CMA milestones, a nostalgic holiday collab with a modern twist, and a fresh wave of tours worth bookmarking.
Your mailbag powers the craft deep dive: the loudness war and why streaming normalization brings back dynamics, how modern records get built across big studios and home rigs, and the most common rookie mistake (spoiler: it’s not a bad mic). We make space for strong takes, small details, and the stuff that actually helps artists grow. If you care about songs that breathe, vocals that risk something, and communities that talk back, you’ll feel right at home.
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And we are coming at you live. I am Jay Franzi, and uh with me tonight the Simon to my Garf uncle, my beautiful co-host, Mr. Tiffany Mason.
Tiffany Mason:Yes, ready to roll.
Jay Franze:If you are new to the show, this is your source for the latest news, reviews, and interviews. And if you would like to join in, comment, or fire off any questions, please head over to jfranzi.com. All right, my friend. Tradition says before we get started, let me tell you about the question of the day. Question of the day. Who do you think had the best? The best, she put best means competition. Debut album. Okay. Who do you think had the best debut album? This question was submitted by Dawn.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, thank you, Dawn.
Jay Franze:Sounds like a dishwashing commercial.
Tiffany Mason:Sorry, Dawn.
Jay Franze:Didn't mean to say that.
Tiffany Mason:Also not our sponsor, but it could be.
Jay Franze:We all do dishes. Alright, folks. Let's go ahead and get this thing started. I came across an article, and true to fashion, I have not reviewed it. I probably should, but I like to be surprised when you are. So that way we can have natural reactions. Alright, the article. Top 35 Southern Rock songs that shaped the genre. Top 35 Southern Rock songs that have shaped the genre. Let's start off with 35, the Almond Brothers. Ain't wasting time no more. Came out in 1972. Alright, 34, the Almond Brothers.
Tiffany Mason:Are these all the Allman Brothers songs?
Jay Franze:Jessica. That's a song. I'm not calling you Jessica. Probably my favorite of the Southern Rock bands. 38 Special.
Tiffany Mason:Oh.
Jay Franze:Caught Up in You. That's probably one of my favorite songs.
Tiffany Mason:Oh caught up in you. Got it.
Jay Franze:32. Blackfoot. Train Train.
Tiffany Mason:Hmm.
Jay Franze:1979.
Tiffany Mason:Well, I wasn't born yet, probably, because I was born at the end of December. So unless it was a late December release. It is rough.
Jay Franze:It's rough, folks. 31. Leonard Skinner. Tuesdays gone.
Tiffany Mason:Hmm.
Jay Franze:It says pronounced Lenard Skinard. I kid you not. It says it right there. It's talking about the album.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Maybe our guy copied it from that when he gave us that information the first time around.
Jay Franze:Right. We learned. We can be learned.
Tiffany Mason:We learned.
Jay Franze:All right. 30. Hank Williams Jr. All my rowdy friends are coming over tonight. Yes. 1984.
Tiffany Mason:Well, see. I was four years old. I was rocking out.
Jay Franze:Waiting for the reason. Well, yeah, of course it was 1984. So it was four. 29, 38 Special. Hold on loosely.
Tiffany Mason:Another great song. I think that um remember we were talking, like I keep learning about all these bands. I must too love 38 Special.
Jay Franze:38 Special is a great band. Do you know what makes them special?
Tiffany Mason:Tell me now.
Jay Franze:Who are they related to Journey?
unknown:No.
Jay Franze:It would probably be a pretty good guess. Leonard Skinard.
Tiffany Mason:Oh well, Schnapp.
Jay Franze:Brothers, I believe.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, really? I'm gonna write that down, check it out.
Jay Franze:Number 28, Leonard Skinnard. That smell. Yikes came out in 1977.
Tiffany Mason:Is it the smell I'm thinking of Jane?
Speaker 5:Kind of like avocados.
Jay Franze:About that point, my wife was one. She was born in 76. Alright. 27. Leonard Skinner.
Tiffany Mason:I think it's just a Leonard Skinner.
Jay Franze:Starting to see a trend. What's your name?
Speaker 7:Little girl.
Jay Franze:Oh, I thought it was Tiffany.
Tiffany Mason:The connection is that 38 Special and Leonard Skinnard is the Van Zant family. Donnie Van Zant is the lead singer for 38 Special. And the brother Ronnie Van Zant, the original singer of Leonard Skinnard. How freaking crazy is that? Can you imagine having two? And they both have like these amazing bands, and they're both the lead singer in each of them.
Jay Franze:There you go.
Tiffany Mason:That's freaking cool.
Jay Franze:See, we can learn. Alright. 26. Georgia Satellites. Keep your hands to yourself.
Tiffany Mason:Ooh, don't tell me no lies.
Jay Franze:It blows my mind that came out in 86.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, I would think it was 70s.
Jay Franze:Really? I was thinking it was later. I mean, I went to high school in the 80s, and I don't remember that song. I remember the song, but I don't remember it being a high school song.
Speaker 9:Mm-hmm.
Jay Franze:Here we go. 25. Z Z Top. I'm Bad. I'm Nationwide.
Speaker 9:Oh.
Jay Franze:1979. It's a great song as well. Alright, here's another newer band. I know it. Oh, you would know it.
Speaker 6:Oh, okay.
Jay Franze:24. The Black Crows. Hard to handle. 1990. Comes from an album called Shake Your Moneymaker.
Tiffany Mason:Shake Your Moneymaker. It's a different song, but I used to work at Famous Saves. That's where I met my husband. And they play a lot of jazz music there. And one of the songs was a jazz song, and it was Shake Your Moneymaker. Shake Your Moneymaker. And it was like a you know bluesy black guy singing, Shake Your Moneymaker. So we'd all go through, you know, shaking our money maker, serving some tables, and hoping to get some extra tips.
Speaker 1:Just a tip.
Jay Franze:Alright. 23 little feet. Fat man in the bathtub. There's very little water in that tub. Come from the album Dixie Chicken.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Jay Franze:1973.
Tiffany Mason:It's interesting though, they're all really like 70s and a few 80s have squeaked in.
Jay Franze:They have shaped in the genre. Well, let's go ahead and change that up for you with number 22.
Speaker 9:Okay.
Jay Franze:Number 22, Kings of Leon Notion. 2009.
Tiffany Mason:Oh wow. I feel like if it's that much later, is it really shaping the genre?
Jay Franze:You were complaining a minute ago that they were all from the 70s. I give you a newer one, and now you say it doesn't qualify. You really are a wife. Not mine, but you are a wife.
Tiffany Mason:I've got the arguing skill down.
Jay Franze:Alright, number 21. Elvin Bishop. I have not heard of Elvin Bishop.
Tiffany Mason:You have not uh heard of Elvin Bishop?
Jay Franze:I have not a heard of. I have not heard of Elvin Bishop. Fooled around and fell in love. 1976.
Speaker 5:Okay.
Jay Franze:The year the wife was born. I'm sure she loves me telling everybody that.
Tiffany Mason:I'm sure she does.
Jay Franze:Her birthday's in January. She will be 50. Sure she likes that too.
Tiffany Mason:I now am married to a 50-year-old. Nice. Look at that.
Jay Franze:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:How about that?
Jay Franze:I go deeper into that conversation, but I don't want to get in trouble.
Tiffany Mason:Stay where it's safe, Jay.
Jay Franze:Number 20. ZZ Top. Heard it on the X, 1975. Number 19, Outlaws. Green grass and high tides. 1975.
Tiffany Mason:I don't know, but it sounds dreamy.
Jay Franze:Numro 18. I don't know how you say 18. The Allman brothers.
Tiffany Mason:Your Spanish is showing it's a little weak.
Jay Franze:In memory of Elizabeth Reed. I never claimed to be able to speak Spanish. The only Spanish I know is when you say Numero. Oh, I know it. You're supposed to say it here. I just don't know how to finish it. Number 18, the Allman Brothers, in memory of Elizabeth Reed, 1971.
Tiffany Mason:Of course, the Almond Brothers. Let me guess the next one is by Lynn Skinnard.
Jay Franze:No, number 17. The Black Crows. She talks to Angels, 1990.
Speaker 6:Oh, such a good song.
Jay Franze:It is a good song. But I believe you are correct in that that did not shape the genre. The genre shaped, and then they hearkened back to the genre.
Speaker 3:Oh, shoot. Oh, yeah. I like how you said that.
Jay Franze:Nice, huh? Another 50 cents there. Number 16, Leonard Skinnard.
Speaker 3:There we go.
Jay Franze:Saturday night special, 1975.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, yeah. I mean, it would make sense that the 70s are what shaped it, right? Sure.
Jay Franze:That's when it started. So I guess, yeah. Number 15, Drive By Truckers Outfit 2003.
Tiffany Mason:I don't know, but I like the combo. Seems like a lot lizard would be wearing a swimsuit. That seems right.
Jay Franze:So you've seen the album cover. Number 14, Z Top. Bear Drinkers and Hellraisers. 1973.
Tiffany Mason:They usually go hand in hand.
unknown:Yes.
Jay Franze:Number 13, Ram Jam. I think my wife and I had that conversation a little earlier.
Tiffany Mason:Was it a conversation?
Jay Franze:It always starts that way. I mean Ram Jam, Black Betty, 1977.
Speaker 3:Oh god. So good.
Jay Franze:Number 12, Molly Hatchet. Flirting with disaster. That's a great song. I remember that. Wait, let's see what year it was. 1979. So I was 10.
Tiffany Mason:I was the disaster that 1979 was flirting with.
Jay Franze:You know what? That makes sense.
Speaker 3:Came out in 79.
Jay Franze:Number 11. The Black Crows Remedy. Oh, another one. 1992.
Tiffany Mason:So Black Crows just got thrown in there as like a well, they are a Southern Rock band.
Jay Franze:And they did write some good songs.
Tiffany Mason:Yes.
Jay Franze:But they did not shape the genre.
Tiffany Mason:No.
Jay Franze:Number 10, Leonard Skinnard, simple man.
Tiffany Mason:Oh. Sorry, I was shocked.
Jay Franze:Pronounced Lenard.
Speaker 3:Skinard. No, I almost can't do it without doing that.
Jay Franze:1973. Well, that's the album it's from. I'm not making that stuff up. Thank you, Mr. Botalato.
Tiffany Mason:For what?
Jay Franze:He's the one who told us that.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, yes.
Jay Franze:Lennard Skinard.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. I didn't realize it had come from him.
Jay Franze:Number nine. Number nine. Number nine. Beatles reference. No way. Sorry. Leonard Skinnard. Give me three steps. 1973.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Jay Franze:Yeah, I'd be mad about this Leonard Skinnard stuff over and over and over again, but they're all good songs.
Tiffany Mason:Well, if somebody would say, like, do you like Leonard Skinnard? I can't even say that right. Anyways, I would be like, I don't know, I don't think so. But all those songs. Ooh, remember we had the I think it was Question of the Day when the song comes on, which one do you crank your radio to?
Speaker 9:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:I would crank my radio to almost all of those Leonard Skinnard songs. Because otherwise it's sounding like Leonard Skinnard to me. So I'm gonna know when.
Jay Franze:We talked about their the brother, the 38 special. Do you know where that name comes from?
Speaker 5:No.
Jay Franze:It is a firearm.
Speaker 5:I think it's a gun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Jay Franze:Firearm. It is a 38 special. It's a caliber of uh, in that particular case, it was a revolver.
Tiffany Mason:Yes, I'm pretty sure I've heard this on movies. Nice.
Jay Franze:Number eight, numero ocho.
Speaker 3:See, senor. The end.
Jay Franze:I've heard you say that one several times. The Marshall Tucker brand. Brand? The Marshall Tucker Band. Can't you see? 1973.
Speaker 5:Oh, can't you see what that woman's been doing?
Speaker 3:Can't you guys see what this woman's been doing to Jay?
Jay Franze:She's been doing a lot to me. She's ruined me. She's broken me. Number seven, Little Feet, Dixie Chicken. From Dixie Chicken in 1973.
Tiffany Mason:Didn't we have that one on there already?
Jay Franze:We had a song by Little Feet that was off of Little Chicken.
Tiffany Mason:Oh.
Jay Franze:This is the title track.
Speaker 3:Oh Dixie Chicken.
Jay Franze:Sorry.
Tiffany Mason:Because every time I think you're going to see Dixie Chicks.
Jay Franze:Right. No, I'm not though.
Tiffany Mason:I know. And you're probably happy you don't have to say it.
Jay Franze:You know, hey. Number six, Z Z Top LaGrange, 1973.
Tiffany Mason:I feel bad saying I don't know it, but maybe I do.
Jay Franze:You know it for sure. You're just never going to go by that name. LaGrange.
Speaker 6:I sounded it out.
Jay Franze:Number five, The Allman Brothers, Ramblin' Man, 1973.
Speaker 6:That's another good song.
Jay Franze:Number four, Greg Allman. We took a left.
Speaker 3:Now we're just picking people out of the band to make it sound like it's somebody else.
Jay Franze:Greg Allman, Midnight Rider, 1973. Number three, Leonard Skinnard. Sweet Home Alabama, 1974.
Tiffany Mason:Y'all, that was my guess.
Jay Franze:Number two, Leonard Skinnard. Free bird, 1973.
Speaker 3:Another good one.
Jay Franze:Off of pronounced Lennard Sinnard.
Speaker 3:Skinard.
Jay Franze:And number one, folks, The Almond Brothers. Whipping Post 1971.
Tiffany Mason:Oh wow. Those are some good songs.
Jay Franze:All right. Anyways. Let's move on to that. That is our list. Top 35 Southern Rock songs that shaped the genre. And I will say this list did not offend me as much as their lists in the past.
Tiffany Mason:No, this is probably my favorite list.
Jay Franze:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:I think the only thing that we balked a little. It's fine that they're there, but we don't think it shaped the genre was the Black Crows.
Jay Franze:Yeah. Wasn't there one other one on there that was similar? Black crows and somebody else that was from that same era. Era. Era.
Speaker 7:Era.
Jay Franze:Maybe. Oh, Kings of Leon. Oh. It was 2009.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Let's move on to the news.
Tiffany Mason:Well, the news is littered with AI squabbling, buzzing, humming, complaining, fuming. Okay.
Jay Franze:Fuming. AI. Fuming. I might like in this segment.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Yeah. So an AI-generated track titled Walk My Walk. We talked about this last week. The avatar called Breaking Rust. Hit number one on the Billboard. Country Digital Song Chart. The controversy highlights growing concern over AI role in country music and whether synthetic creators might be undermining human artistry.
Jay Franze:I'm on the edge of the seat. Can we do it? You want to weigh in with opinions? What do we do? You tell me how you want to handle it.
Tiffany Mason:Okay, this is what I want to do. There's four different stories. So I'm going to give us a little taste of all four of them, and then we can fill in the blinks before we fill.
Jay Franze:I'll sit here and I'm going to rock like a crazy person till you tell me. Go ahead. Come on.
Tiffany Mason:As you're just dying, bursting at the scenes. Okay. I'm waiting. You got this. Okay. So it's not just this breaking rust song. So now there's another artist uh like Kane Walker also pulling serious streaming numbers showing the trend may be bigger than a single hit. The growth is intensifying tension between tech-driven experiments and old school songwriters who fear being left behind. The next one is the success of Breaking Rust is triggering broader reckoning in the country's circles about AI's role, with some songwriters saying the genre risks losing its authenticity if fake voices keep charting. The debate raises real questions about future songwriting royalties and what fans consider real country music. Last one is While Walk My Walk, the song we talked about last week, and the song that we're talking about right now, it soared on digital sales charts. Critics question whether AI songs should even count, saying the genre's soul lies in the human stories and lived experience. The controversy could force streaming platforms, chart makers, and labels to rethink how they treat AI-generated music going forward. Jay, I will turn the microphone over to you.
Jay Franze:Okay, good. Well, let's start off with people are complaining. Yeah. There's complaints where some artists are saying that they were unaware that AI was replicating their style, their vocal style. But AI has to learn from something.
Speaker 6:Sure.
Jay Franze:So AI has been studying all music probably ever released. Anything that there's a digital version of, AI has probably studied it at this point. And record labels have signed a deal with the AI companies allowing that to happen. It's gonna happen one way or another by them allowing it to happen and doing it in advance is gonna allow them to make a deal, and then they're gonna be able to profit from that.
Tiffany Mason:And not pay an artist and not have the artist go on tour and not market and not headshots and not video and not music video and not all the things that they have to pay for with a human.
Jay Franze:They're just gonna sit back and take in a licensing fee that the AI companies are gonna pay for the use of the record labels catalog for their AI models to learn. It has to happen. They have to learn from something. Now the question is whether or not we think that this belongs in the charts or in award categories and things like that. We talk about it a lot. We had multiple segments about AI, and I think there is a way to utilize AI as part of the human experience without taking over. So for me, I don't have a problem with utilizing pieces of AI. I just don't want AI to write the song. And I don't want AI to replace the human. I want it to accent it, to play a part of the collaboration. So just like in the 80s, the drum machine came out, and everybody was afraid that the drum machine would replace the drummer. It would be perfect performances, it'd be perfectly in time, there'd be no need for a drummer anymore. But as we see 20, 30 years later, that that doesn't matter. People still want the live drummer. So if you think about AI as that, as like this generation's version of the drum machine, fantastic. We also had MIDI, which is a way of replicating an instrument. So we originally started with piano and keyboard type instruments, and then it went on to be able to replicate other things. And then we have guitar modelers that replicate guitar amps and things like that. So I don't see any issue with AI performing the instrumentation if you think about it like programmed drum machines or MIDI or guitar modelers or that type of stuff.
Tiffany Mason:I like the points you're making.
Jay Franze:The problem I would have with AI is if you allow AI to write the lyrics, because then it has no human element. We've mentioned that in the past, but I think the lyrics are what makes the human element. It's the human's story. Not saying AI wouldn't be able to create a good story as we see in these songs that are able to make it to number one, they were able to do something.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Jay Franze:But I think what makes a song unique and special are the ones that take a twist or they don't follow the the formulas at all times. And those are the ones to me that's that's going to require a the human element. Or at least for now. We'll see what happens in the future. So I think lyrics are important to be the human piece. Talked to a musician just the other day who is a guitar player, singer, and then has a band that they perform with.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Jay Franze:They would like to record their music more often in the studio, but it's too expensive.
Speaker 3:Okay. Yeah.
Jay Franze:So for this person to be able to take their performance, their guitar vocal, and then have AI build a full track around their guitar vocal, it is their song. It's what they wrote, it's what they performed, and then AI is just playing the instrumentation. Like the the drum machine and the guitar parts and all that stuff would be like adding that type of stuff. It just sounds real.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Jay Franze:So I think for that type of person, it's fantastic. And for that type of purpose, it's fantastic. I would still rather see humans. I mean, when you go to a live show, you're gonna want to see humans, you're not gonna want to see somebody up there with a computer.
Tiffany Mason:But why not? Watch them hit play.
Jay Franze:Right. It's fantastic. So yes, there you go. That's my two cents. I don't need to dwell on it too much more.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Well, I would just say that talking about like awards, like the CMAs or whatever. I think maybe it'd be kind of cool if there was a category for like best directed AI, you know, like because listening to the conversations of what you've said for the songs that you've created. I think like if I went in there and I just was like, okay, play this song, I think it would probably sound pretty crappy. But knowing what you know, you're able to apply that then. And I know we were talking about like a cadence of one section of a song, and you're like, right, like the buildup. Like I wouldn't know how to explain, you know, maybe there's some kind of an award for breaking rust that they win for like I don't know, best technique or best whatever.
Jay Franze:Use of AI or sure, right? Like you say, produced. I mean, we'll call it uh production. It's still produced. There is a human producing it at some point. Yeah, somebody's telling it to create it. Yeah. Like what you're mentioning. I think the difference is there's two levels, in my opinion, or maybe even three if you want to take it a step further. But you've got the one level where you literally say, Write a song. You know, write me a rock song, press a button, and poof, you have a rock song.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Jay Franze:Then you have the next level, here's my lyrics, create this song. I want it to feel like this, sound like this, and you give it all the instructions, and poof, you have a song. And then the third step is like that singer I was telling you about who writes a song, performs a song, uploads those tracks, and then says, Build the song around my tracks. So to me, 100% the last version, the singer that says build the song around my tracks, I have no problem with that at all. The person writing the lyrics and giving the instructions, I don't necessarily have a problem with that either because it's someone wrote it, somebody's doing it. But then AI is performing it. I don't want to hear an AI like an AI vocal on the radio. I don't necessarily want to buy a record by an AI vocal. Even if it sounds great. My wife had a very good point. She wants somebody that she can follow, a human that she can follow at the end of the day. Yeah. And then there's the person who just pressed play, write me this. That I I think is is unacceptable.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Jay Franze:I liken it back to when ChatGPT first hit the scene, and I still feel this way about it today, is when you write something, there's multiple ways of writing it. How much instruction are you giving ChatGPT? Are you giving it say an article? Did you write the whole article and you're asking it to edit the article? Or did you say just write me an article about the subject?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:So there's different levels of that before I feel like you can call it your own. And it's not my decision to say when when can you call it your own? But a committee of some sort has to get together and say it has to meet this level before we can call it our own.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Well, what I do love about it is for the person that doesn't have a ton of money, like you're talking about this like third-level person that wrote the song, played guitar, now they're just looking for the full sound, like the full band sound. I think that that's so freaking awesome. Like I create stuff, like graphic art stuff in Canva all the time. But if there wasn't Canva, then I couldn't do that. And I don't have the degree, I don't have the expensive software, you know, all those things. So I like that it's making it accessible to all without breaking the bank or, you know, like even you can pay to like level up on the AI program that you use, I think. And, you know, that's fine, like a small entry fee, but not thousands of dollars to go into a studio to just record a demo.
Jay Franze:Well, that's another good point. My wife is uh a trained, schooled graphic artist, visual communications, and she can create something beautiful out of a white canvas. But my wife, she appreciates Canva for what it is, and she'll still use it, you know, but she will manipulate things. You know, she might pick a template, but then she'll manipulate that template into what she's trying to create. So I think again, those who are truly trained and skilled in a an area will then take these, let's say, assisted programs, and then they'll use them just as that, as an assistant.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Yep. Okay, let's move on. The next thing that we're gonna talk about is uh the CMA big winner, Laney Wilson. So at the 2025 CMA Awards, which we talked about, we debriefed, we know Laney Wilson swept the field winning Entertainer of the Year, female vocalist of the year, her fourth, and album of the year with her project, Whirlwind. Her wins reinforce her position as one of country music's top powerhouses of 2025. And I will second that.
Jay Franze:Yeah. I think with this award, it solidified her as you know, not only one of the most powerful people in country music, but she's one of the most decorated people in country music now as well.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, yeah. Well, this is kind of fun talking about Lenny Wilson. She is delivering some extra Christmas cheer this season.
Jay Franze:Is she buying me a present?
Tiffany Mason:Kind of, kind of. Okay, cool. She's releasing a video, which is like a present to everyone of her version of her.
Speaker 9:Something special.
Tiffany Mason:Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow. A charming collaboration with a man who made the song famous in 1940, Bing Crosby. Created in partnership with Hershey's. The video brings a nostalgic holiday classic to life through animated versions of the musical acts. It does look really cute, and her little character is like a little Laney Wilson holding a little hot cocoa mug. And so, uh, yeah, I will be looking forward to watching that. Does not say what streaming service it is.
Jay Franze:When I think of music and Christmas music, I think of Hershey's. All right, sweet.
Tiffany Mason:Everybody's collabing.
Jay Franze:Hershey had to get in on it.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Well, we have several high-profile country acts that are setting up to drop new albums in 2026, including what may be the genre's biggest names. Could 2026 set up as one of country's biggest years yet? Between rising stars and returning legends, fans have a lot to look forward to and plenty to anticipate in the months ahead. The new rounds of upcoming 2025-2026, they must just be talking about December tours just dropped. So they are laying out where your favorite country stars will be playing and when, whether you're planning a road trip or just keeping tabs on live music scene, now is a great time to bookmark those dates. I know there's two concerts I want tickets for. Bad, bad here in Jacksonville.
Jay Franze:My daughter would like to go to a few shows as well. But of course, the ones she wants to go to are like three, four hundred dollars a ticket.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, I know. No, we're getting lucky. We must it must be like Laurie's Roadhouse because these are not crazy expensive tickets, but guess who it is?
Speaker 1:Who is it?
Tiffany Mason:Good old Russ. Old Russ. Yes, I'm very excited about that.
Jay Franze:Lori's Roadhouse put out a post today that said, Who would you like to see come play at our at our venue?
Speaker 3:Who'd you say?
Jay Franze:I said McBride and the Ride.
Speaker 3:Uh-oh. Okay.
Jay Franze:I had plenty that I wanted to list.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Like the next one I was going to go for was Presley Tennant.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:However, I don't think it's feasible for Presley Tennant to be making her way over to play at Laurie's Roadhouse, but I do think it's feasible for McBride and the Ride.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jay Franze:It's probably also feasible for the Oak Ridge boys. Also crossed my mind.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Well, maybe you need to make a second submission.
Jay Franze:We'll see. See how well the first one's received.
unknown:Okay.
Jay Franze:Question of the day. Who do you think had the best debut album? Who do you think had the best debut album? Thank you, Don, for your submission. If you would like to submit a question for the question of the day, please head over to jfranzi.com and click on submit the question of the day. Send the smoke signal. Send us an email, J at JFranzi.com, whatever you want. We don't care. Miss Tiffany say use the pull-down menu. Just send the question. All right. Miss Tiffany, would you like to go first? Or would you like to go at the end?
Speaker 4:I will go at the end on this one, Jay.
Jay Franze:You might. All right. Again, best debut album. This is a competition. You don't have to write them all down, but write down the ones that matter. Let's say bring us the top five when we reach the end.
Tiffany Mason:In my opinion.
Jay Franze:I don't know if we can trust that. Number one, first one, Sarah with an H. Thank you for being here yet again, Sarah. Please forgive me. I will probably do it every time. Sarah with an H. With an H. She says Morgan Wallen. If I know me.
Tiffany Mason:I mean, it was good.
Jay Franze:She says every track feels like it could have been a single.
Tiffany Mason:Kind of like this last album. I mean, gosh.
Jay Franze:Alright. Justin says Carrie Underwood. Some hearts.
Tiffany Mason:I do love that one. I listen to that one more than any of her regular her current stuff.
Jay Franze:Do you?
Tiffany Mason:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 9:Alright.
Jay Franze:Keep them there for now. Placeholders.
Tiffany Mason:Placeholders?
Jay Franze:Lacey says Luke Combs. This one's for you.
Tiffany Mason:The tough thing when we do albums is like I don't know all of the songs on there.
Jay Franze:Unless you're a diehard fan, I wouldn't expect you to know all of them.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. But Luke Combs is a good artist.
Jay Franze:You also know, too, like, say Luke Combs, and did he hit hard when he first came out, or did it take a little while? So like Brent says Chris Stapleton, Traveler. He hit pretty hard when he came out.
Tiffany Mason:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 9:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:What was the Carrie Underwood album called? Okay, and Morgan's.
Jay Franze:If I know me.
Tiffany Mason:If I know me.
Jay Franze:I think Chris Stapleton Traveler belongs on the list.
Speaker 7:Going in.
Jay Franze:Dana says Kelsey Ballerini. The first time. Tyler says Zach Bryan. Deanne.
Speaker 6:I would like to know what's on that one.
Jay Franze:Marie says Laney Wilson. Saying what I'm thinking.
Speaker 7:You want it on there?
Jay Franze:I think it's a good choice so far. It might get kicked off soon. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. Cody says Keith Urban. Keith Urban. 1999. That is the year that I moved to Nashville. That is the year that I worked with Keith Urban.
Speaker 6:Oh.
Jay Franze:Alright. Emily says Ashley McBride. Rick says Alan Jackson. Megan says Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift. That probably belongs on there. Wes says Travis Tritt Country Club. That's a good album. I don't know if it's the best. Jordan says Gretchen Wilson. Here for the party.
Tiffany Mason:I think she hit hard when she came out.
unknown:Did she?
Tiffany Mason:What'd they say?
Jay Franze:Henry says Dirk's Bentley, Dirk's Bentley. I think that hit the ice hard.
Speaker 4:Hell no.
Jay Franze:I have no qualms with Mr. Bentley. If you listen to the episode that was released today, I will tell you that. Um Nicole says Carly Pierce. Every little thing. I'm not seeing anything that's jumping out to me as the best of all time.
Tiffany Mason:Because it doesn't say Journey on it?
Jay Franze:No, I don't think Journey's debut album was the best either. It was it was 1970s and it was jam band style. Clint says The Chicks, wide open spaces. Hard no. Hannah with an H. Hannah with an H says John Party. Write you a song.
Speaker 6:Want it on there?
Jay Franze:No. I don't. If you think it deserves to be on the list, you can go ahead and try that out.
Speaker 5:No.
Jay Franze:Okay. Um Big Dan from Bowling Green. Big Dan from Bowling Green. Dan says, Billy Ray Cyrus. Some gave all. And then he says, Don't act like achy breaky heart didn't take over the world.
Speaker 5:That's true.
Jay Franze:Okay, I'll give it to you. It's not the best of all time. As much as I like Billy Ray Cyrus, it is not the best of all. Tina says, Luke Bryan. I'll stay me. I like Luke Bryan. Not the best of all time. No. Oh, okay. Now we're getting somewhere. I will never be able to pronounce this name. P-I-P-P-I-L-O-T-T-A 1974.
Tiffany Mason:Pipalot.
Jay Franze:Pipalotta?
Tiffany Mason:Pipulata?
Jay Franze:I don't know. Whatever. Don't mean to butcher your name, sorry. But Daughtry. I like Daughtry, and I think the first album is a great album.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Alright.
Tiffany Mason:Does she say what it is?
Jay Franze:You're gonna say that's a girl. It looks like a girl from the very fuzzy profile picture.
Tiffany Mason:Well, it made me think of Pippi Longstocking.
Jay Franze:Does it say what is the album? I'm assuming it's self-titled. Oh, okay. Dodgery.
Speaker 7:Okay.
Jay Franze:And I'm assuming this is J, but it's J-A-Y-S-V-A-N-E. And sorry if I just gave out your last name too, but J S Vaughn.
Tiffany Mason:Jason. Maybe it's supposed to be Jason.
Jay Franze:Think you're closer the first time. Says Led Zeppelin.
Speaker 5:Led Zeppelin.
Jay Franze:Alright, Jeffrey Panzer. I'm going to use your full name, even though you are not a guest of the show in as much as I would like you to be a guest of the show. I understand. However, I'm not going to read your comment.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Jay Franze:Not because of that, Jeffrey. But because it's my answer as well. So I'm going to hold that one off till the end.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, you and Mr. Panzer, same answer.
Jay Franze:So don't let me forget to go back to Mr. Panzer. Alright. Oh. Dear God. Okay, I got it. Maybe I'm a Leo 42.
Tiffany Mason:Cute.
Jay Franze:But it's all lowercase in all one word.
Tiffany Mason:It was tricky for you. I'm very proud of you.
Jay Franze:Maybe I'm a Leo 42 says Kansas. Great album.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:See now these rock albums I think belong on here.
Tiffany Mason:Well, also, don't you think that when these albums came out, you got the whole album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these were right.
Tiffany Mason:Like you right. They weren't digital, they weren't streaming, so of course you remember.
Jay Franze:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Nice. I like it. See? And they say you can't come up with anything good.
Speaker 3:Who is they? You?
Jay Franze:That's what I keep saying. Who who who are they? I don't know. Use your name, people. Maya Project Music. Thank you again, my friend. Previous guest of the show, here every week. I cannot thank you enough. Maya Project Music says Bjork. Now I'm not gonna give it to you. I appreciate you being here. Oh, June says the Eagles. That's also a good one. Mark, the. I forgot the. The Mark Botalado says Aussie Blizzard of Oz. Yes, that's the one that has crazy terrain. Great album. And then of course we have well new information to me. Jacob is pronounced Yop. So Yop. Yop. True to form says a bunch of people that I have no idea who they are. I think he does it just to mess with me. Yop, if that's true. I'm gonna call him Yop from now. I'm not calling him Jacob anymore. Apparently Jacob is formal and Yop is informal.
Speaker 3:Okay. Yop.
Jay Franze:So Yop says J J C A L E S Kals.
Tiffany Mason:Kales.
Jay Franze:Kales. Okay. Kales. Debut album naturally. Dave. Dave Gibbs, not a previous guest of the show, but I'm gonna tell you his last name anyway.
Tiffany Mason:You know, Jay, I appreciate how discreet you are about everything.
Jay Franze:Dave Gibbs is a recording artist, so I don't think he minds me sharing his name. And I was lucky enough to work on his album that was produced and engineered by Bob Bullock. He says the Beatles. Please please me. I'm assuming that's not a question he's presenting to me. I'm assuming that's the name of their debut album.
Tiffany Mason:I also don't think it's a question.
Jay Franze:Starts with please.
Speaker 3:Please please me.
Jay Franze:I'm not gonna do it. James, the James, the one that typically submits us questions of the day, he says, no, I get it. He says, Guns and Roses, Appetite for Destruction.
Tiffany Mason:Mm-hmm. Although you wouldn't put them on there, hey?
Jay Franze:I would. I think that's an amazing album.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:Yes, I think when that album came out, socks were blown off for sure. But just socks? True to form, he has more. Just socks. Now the next one may have blown off a little bit more. He also says Alanis More set, Jagged Little Pill.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Jay Franze:Yes, absolutely. And then he has a third, he says Dr. Dre, the chronic. And he specifies Guns N' Roses for rock, Alanis for pop, and Dr. Dre for hip hop.
Tiffany Mason:I like him covering his basses.
Jay Franze:He's a good man. Next, Scotty Simpson. I will use his last name because he's a previous guest of the show and the bass player for the Oak Ridge Boys. Okay. He says Van Halen. Yes, absolutely belongs on the list. If you needed to knock some people off, Van Halen would do it for sure.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Jay Franze:Okay, Tom, I'm gonna skip yours as well because it is also mine. So now that's two people you have to go back to, Tom and Jeffrey. Tom? Okay. Tom and Jeff.
Tiffany Mason:Tom and Jerry. Tom and Jeffrey.
Jay Franze:Gary. Gary says Crosby still's a Nash.
Tiffany Mason:My mom would agree with that.
Jay Franze:Miss Kathy, do you agree? While we're waiting for Miss Kathy to tell us, we'll move on to John. John says, A foreigner. He says, it is a fantastic album. John, you my friend, are correct. It is a fantastic album. And then last, yes. Last but not least, Joe says, Are you experienced? by Jimi Hendrix.
Tiffany Mason:I don't know.
Jay Franze:Joe, I think it's a good one. I don't know if it's my favorite though.
Tiffany Mason:I think it's gonna get knocked off easily, so that I'm not gonna put on the list.
Jay Franze:Joe? Hate mail goes to Tiffany at chickfrenzy.com.
Tiffany Mason:4J.
unknown:Nice.
Jay Franze:Thanks. All right. I think that covers the list.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Jay Franze:So now I'm gonna go to you.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Jay Franze:And you're gonna say goose egg by Tiffany Mason.
Speaker 4:No.
Jay Franze:Oh. You have one?
Speaker 4:No.
Jay Franze:So you're going with goose egg.
Tiffany Mason:Well, I would like to cheat, and I would like to take one off of this list.
Jay Franze:And if you're gonna take one off this list, I can tell you which one you're gonna take.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill.
Speaker 5:Yes! Holy crap. Yep. Okay.
Jay Franze:Take that, folks. I can read minds. Miss Kathy, would you like me to tell you what you're thinking? Stop it, girl. Stop it. All right.
Speaker 4:You want to knock them off?
Jay Franze:Nope.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, oh, oh. Jeffrey Panzer and Tom. And Tom.
Jay Franze:I will not say Tom's last name. I will not say that it's Morehouse. So Jeffrey Panzer and Tom, not Morehouse. Sorry, Tom. 323 Main Street. So Jeffrey and Tom and myself.
Tiffany Mason:And the Jay Francis.
Jay Franze:The me.
Tiffany Mason:What is the last one I'm adding to the list, Jay?
Jay Franze:What is the best city in the world?
Speaker 5:Boston. Thank you.
Jay Franze:Boston with their debut album. Boston.
Tiffany Mason:All right. Are we ready?
Jay Franze:I'm ready.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:Read all 26 you got.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:Two at a time.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Morgan Wallin, Carrie Underwood.
Jay Franze:Carrie Underwood.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Carrie Underwood or Chris Stapleton?
Jay Franze:I like Carrie, I'm going with Chris.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Chris or Laney Wilson. Best album. Best debut album.
Jay Franze:I like Laney, I'm going with Chris.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, I think that was a solid choice. Chris Stapleton or Keith Urban?
Speaker 1:Chris Stapleton.
Tiffany Mason:Yep. Chris Stapleton or Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:Taylor Swift.
Tiffany Mason:Whoa. Taylor Swift or Gretchen Wilson here for the party.
Speaker 1:Taylor Swift.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Taylor Swift or Dotry.
Jay Franze:Ooh. I like Dotri, I'm saying Taylor Swift.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Taylor Swift or Led Zeppelin.
Jay Franze:Zeppelin.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:If we're saying best debut album.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Led Zeppelin or Kansas.
Jay Franze:Ooh. I like Kansas, I'm going Zeppelin.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Led Zeppelin or Van Halen.
Jay Franze:Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:Van Halen or the Eagles.
Jay Franze:Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:I almost crossed off Van Halen. Van Halen or Oussie with Blizzard of Oz. Ooh.
Jay Franze:I'm going Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:Sorry, Mark.
Speaker 6:Okay.
Jay Franze:Ozzy's a great album. Please. I mean, don't anybody you know miss that. That was a great album by Ozzy.
Tiffany Mason:Van Halen or Guns N' Roses.
Jay Franze:Oh, I'm still going with Van Halen, but man, Guns N' Roses, great album. Mark Bottelato. Thank you, my friend.
Speaker 5:Hey, Mark.
Jay Franze:He says it's only allow because it's Van Halen. I agree, Mark. I agree.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Van Halen or Alanis? What's that?
Jay Franze:Oh, mercy. I love Alanis Morissette, but she can't be Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:I know. I knew better. Van Halen or Foreigner?
Jay Franze:Again, I love Foreigner, but Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:Van Halen or Boston?
Jay Franze:Oh, Boston, hands down.
Tiffany Mason:Well then Boston is our winner winner chicken dinner.
Jay Franze:Now I'm curious, Mr. Botelato, since you're chiming in, what is your thoughts on that? Van Halen or Boston? Now that Boston album was legendary, just absolutely amazing.
Tiffany Mason:Was it the guitar? Was it the production?
Jay Franze:It was all of it. It was all of it. Mark says both are epic, but he would go with Van Halen.
Tiffany Mason:Oh.
Jay Franze:Mark, you're fired.
Tiffany Mason:At least you get to say being his friend, Mark.
Jay Franze:No, I don't know if he does. Go on here if you want to duke it out, let me know.
Speaker 5:Whoa.
Jay Franze:No, I agree. Van Halen's album was awesome, but I think the Boston album was something different at the time. And I think the fact that it was all out of one guy's mind. You know, he formed the band out of you know necessity. That was all one person.
Tiffany Mason:Way to go.
Jay Franze:There you go.
Tiffany Mason:Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Jay Franze:All right. I say Boston.
Tiffany Mason:Boston.
Jay Franze:Let's move on to the charts. How about that?
Tiffany Mason:Okay, that sounds great. Well, let's start at number 10. Number 10. Okay. Hudson Westbrook House Again.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah.
Jay Franze:That's all right.
Tiffany Mason:Number number nine is Mr. Blake Shelton. Number nine. With Stay Country or Die Trying.
Jay Franze:I really want to like it. I do. And I think overall I like it, but there's a few really cheesy lines in there.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. That'll ruin a song.
Jay Franze:But I like the song as a whole. I like the feel of the song. I just really there's a few cheesy, cheesy lyrics in there.
Tiffany Mason:How did it not get caught?
Jay Franze:I don't know.
Tiffany Mason:Before they recorded it, like nobody in the recording studio said, like Can you do a little bit better here? Yeah.
Jay Franze:I don't know. Country is cheesy. It does ride the line of cheesy a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Mark says smooches. Thank you, Mark. It's all better now. All right, move on.
Tiffany Mason:Couple smooches between friends.
Jay Franze:Yeah.
Tiffany Mason:Well, number seven is oh, we forgot number number John Cardy. I know. Hardy with favorite country song.
Jay Franze:I like that one.
Tiffany Mason:I do too.
Jay Franze:Hardy. Hardy. Not John Party.
Tiffany Mason:Number seven is Miss Megan Moroni with Six Months Later. And I just learned one of the verses. I mean, I don't know. You know how you hear it a million times? And then all of a sudden you hear it and it like clicks, and you're like, oh. So I like when she says, What doesn't kill you makes you stronger and blonder and hotter.
unknown:Nice.
Tiffany Mason:Somehow that finally clicked for me, and I was like, that's funny. It is funny. Okay. Number six is Mr. Tucker Wetmore with three, two, one.
Jay Franze:Yeah. Yeah. That's not my favorite.
Tiffany Mason:No. I think we say that every time. In spot five, we have Parker McCollum, What kind of man? Like that song.
Speaker 9:Yeah, it's all right.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Number four, Parmalee, Cowgirl. I was enjoying this song. And then Hannah wanted to change the channel, and I was like, but it's Cowgirl by Parmalee. And she was like, eh. And I was like, she normally wins. So okay, well, here's a real shocker. Number three is Riley Green, Don't Mind If I Do, with Ella Langley.
Jay Franze:And you know what? I like it.
Tiffany Mason:I love it.
Jay Franze:I like it all.
Tiffany Mason:Clearly, a lot of people like it.
Jay Franze:Not that many. It's still only number three.
Tiffany Mason:Well, maybe more people learned about it after the CMAs.
Jay Franze:Yeah, possibly.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. And I don't really remember it climbing up the charts.
Jay Franze:No, it just appeared.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, it debuted at three. I don't know. Okay. And spot number two.
Jay Franze:I brought it back.
Tiffany Mason:Lainey Wilson was somewhere over Loreto. This song came on, and Hannah said.
Speaker 3:She said, What's a Loreto? It's a technical.
Jay Franze:It's like a taco.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, that was pretty awesome. Okay. And I'm super pumped. Spot number one.
Jay Franze:What are you pumped about, Darlin?
Tiffany Mason:Goes to Chase Matthew, Darlin.
Jay Franze:Okay.
Tiffany Mason:Let it finish. Let it finish. Let it breathe. I like in that song, Darlin, when it's like, why does he call you Darlin? Like whatever that little that's what I like. The song is good, but the little sound effect is pretty good. Fantastic.
Jay Franze:Why don't we start this next one off at number 10 as well? Yeah. I think that I think that worked out well with the first one. Let's try it again.
Tiffany Mason:Let's do it again.
Jay Franze:Let's see if we can keep it.
Tiffany Mason:Spot number 10 on the indie charts is Secondhand Smoke by Alex Miller.
Jay Franze:Nothing worse than secondhand smoke.
Tiffany Mason:Nothing worse. Because you didn't want to smoke in the first place. First hand smoke's great because you chose to.
Jay Franze:I don't smoke. I've never had the time to practice. I'm going to do it. I want to be good.
Tiffany Mason:Spot number nine is Three Sheets to the Wind by Kelly and Sarah.
Jay Franze:By Kelly and Sarah.
Tiffany Mason:And Sarah with an H.
Jay Franze:Sarah with an H. Which I don't know why we say that because that's the traditional way of doing it.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. We're going to say it a lot if we have to say it every time.
Jay Franze:Sarah with an H.
Tiffany Mason:Why am I roping myself into this? Because it's not really a wee thing until just a little bit.
Jay Franze:I just want to point out you named your daughter Hannah. Your daughter. I heard it that time. You named your daughter Hannah with no H. Not even one at the beginning.
Speaker 5:Say it the other way. Come on, be a Bostonian daughter.
Jay Franze:Just move on.
Speaker 3:Favorite moment of the entire year. Numeroocho. Come on. Do not cut that out of the episode. Okay. Spot number eight. Numeroocho.
Tiffany Mason:Single of the year by Maddie True.
Jay Franze:True Blue Music.
Tiffany Mason:Spot number seven, said no redneck ever by Aaron Goodwin. I see you want to do your go.
Speaker 9:Move on quick.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Number six is Wish You Wouldn't Go by Ken.
Speaker 9:Just go.
Jay Franze:Don't match.
unknown:Go.
Jay Franze:Keep going. Keep going.
Tiffany Mason:Number five, perfume on my jersey by Caleb Lathrop.
Jay Franze:Jersey, move on.
unknown:Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Spot number four. I don't know how to say goodbye. Bang, bang, bang, bang. Bang, bang. Boom, boom.
Jay Franze:I couldn't do it. Keep going.
Speaker 3:Jergensmeier.
Tiffany Mason:Okay, spot number three. Jay's already ruined it, but it's read by Jet Jergensmeyer.
Speaker 3:Oh mercy. And number two. Hell that I call home by Porter Martin.
Jay Franze:Should we dance now?
Tiffany Mason:Spot number one. Truly, sincerely congratulations, Miss Billy Joe Jones with turquoise and silver.
Jay Franze:Let it play. Hold it. Hold it. Hold it. First time ever on an indie chart.
Tiffany Mason:Never on an indie chart. We've never done that.
Jay Franze:Never let it go.
Tiffany Mason:Billy Joe Jones gives a whole round of applause.
Jay Franze:Yes, she does. Congratulations, Miss Billy Joe Jones.
Tiffany Mason:Are we going to talk mailbog?
Jay Franze:Yes, we're going to talk mailbog. It's a dish down in Louisiana.
Speaker 4:What's a mailbox?
Jay Franze:Moving on to the mailbag. If you would like to send any feedback to us, head on over to jfranzi.com. You can go ahead and do that over there. You can send an email, you can do the smoke signals, you can do all the same things you do on all the other things. You know what? We need to just create one email address. Feedback at jfranzi.com for everything.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Jay Franze:Is that easy? Feedback? Did everybody know how to spell feedback? Should it be contact? I mean, contact sounds boring.
Speaker 3:Yeah, feedback.
Jay Franze:Feedback.
Speaker 7:Feedback.
Jay Franze:I like feedback too because it reminds me of an amplifier.
Speaker 7:Feedback.
Jay Franze:Alright. There's a lot of a lot of feedback. So I'm gonna blow through a couple of these real quick and see if we can stop on the ones that make me giggle. If they make me giggle. I don't know. Carla. You probably will. Carla. Carla. Carla. Carla. One of my friends. Carla. One of my best friends. I don't know if it's this, Carla. I don't think it is, because this one says from Birmingham.
Speaker 6:That's weird, Jay. I thought we were best friends.
Jay Franze:I said one of my best friends. Okay, fair enough. Okay. Best friend.
Speaker 7:Okay.
Jay Franze:I didn't say the pinnacle.
Speaker 7:That's what you would got it. Okay. If you were referring to me, I would have known that.
Jay Franze:Oh, referring to you? Oh. Wait, yeah, no. A friend for sure.
Speaker 5:Nice.
Jay Franze:Anyways, Carla says, I started listening during my commute, and now I'm hooked. Oh, hook line sinker. A relative of yours. You have a cousin named Midnight?
Speaker 3:Nope.
Jay Franze:Midnight Mason. Says, with Zach Top hitting the scene, do you think country music is shifting back towards traditional sounds? Or are we stuck with pop country for a while?
Tiffany Mason:I think we talked about that, right? At the beginning of the show.
Jay Franze:I think that there is a shift going back towards traditional sound. However, I don't think it's going to replace what's going on in the pop side of it. I think we'll have both. And I think unfortunately the Zach Top stuff will be the novelty side of it. I don't think we're going to get like a flood of 90s style country artists. Might get a few. Usually when there's one, the record labels like to get their own version of that person.
Speaker 7:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So we'll see.
Jay Franze:Eddie. Eddie says, We need more women in commentary with your energy, Tiffany. Then he says, There, Jay. I put it at the end.
Speaker 3:I like it.
Jay Franze:Eddie, you had me for a minute, buddy.
Speaker 3:You had me the whole time.
Jay Franze:You're not the first, Eddie. Relax. Oh, Roadhouse Rick.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Jay Franze:I like that one. Roadhouse Rick.
Speaker 3:Why is that getting you so excited?
Jay Franze:I like Roadhouse. I don't know. Rick might be pretty cute too. Who knows? What's one guest you haven't had yet that you are dying to talk to? Lizzie Hill. I would like to talk to Lizzie Hill.
Tiffany Mason:I would have to think about that.
Jay Franze:Well, that doesn't help us much.
Tiffany Mason:I don't think on my feet well.
unknown:No.
Tiffany Mason:I am sitting, so I'm not really on my feet.
Jay Franze:Or you're at us or your back.
Tiffany Mason:Oh just saying.
Jay Franze:I don't know. Lizzie Hill is the first one that comes to my mind. I also want to speak to John Snyder. Bob Bullock is hooking that one up for us.
Tiffany Mason:Nice.
Jay Franze:Because Bob Bullock just produced John Snyder's latest album.
Tiffany Mason:Okay, I know mine. I would like to talk to Adam Sanders, one of Billy Joe's competitors on the road.
Speaker 9:Oh.
Tiffany Mason:He's written a couple songs and he's had some success. He's great on stage. He's a great performer. I would love to have a conversation with him.
Jay Franze:See, Billy Joe, I would not do that to you. Matter of fact, I would love to have you back. If you would like to come back on the show, I'll talk to you. Miss Tiffany can go talk to that Adam dude. All right. Maria. Maria.
Speaker 5:My Maria. Oh, Maria?
Jay Franze:Okay.
Speaker 5:Is it Shenandoah? No.
Jay Franze:No. It's Perks and Dumb.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Jay, thank you for interviewing artist the right way. Your pacing is spot on. I don't really think that my pacing is horrible. But thank you. Thank you, Maria.
Speaker 9:It's all post-production.
Jay Franze:Thanks to Tiffany at VirtualView. Jeff P. I don't know if that's Jeff Panzer.
Speaker 5:Panzer.
Jay Franze:But Jeff P says longtime listener, first-time mailbagger. I love it. Jay, when you're producing a track, how do you decide whether a song needs a live drummer or program drums? What's the line you draw in the studio? I draw the line in Live Drummer all the time.
Speaker 6:You always want live. Yeah.
Jay Franze:I am not a fan of drum machines or programmed drums, even though Tidbit. I did a song for a guy named Ken Elevin, and it was a very low-budget song, so I had to program drums, and I won an award for best programmed drums.
Tiffany Mason:Of course you did. Yeah. Like my husband, just like the Midas touch. Just like freaking good. Not just the fact that I had to program drums.
Jay Franze:I don't like drum machines, and I had to program them. But I think at the time, what got me the award was at the time, if people were programming drums, they were programming drum machines. And I used samples, drum samples that I recorded when I was in the studio. So I was in the studio with Jim Cristaldi and Andy Hall, one of the best drummers I know. And I would just have him play hits on his drum kit. And then I I would program those, and I kind of played his drum kit in my head and placed the hits where I thought they would go. Anywho. Darren, Darren says, not a question. Just a big thanks. I discovered more new artists from your show than any other playlist.
Tiffany Mason:That is amazing.
Jay Franze:Thank you. Thank you very much. Penny and the twins. Now either Penny has a couple kids. Or she has a Victoria's Secret bra.
Speaker 3:Maybe she got the twins because of the Victoria's Secret bra.
Jay Franze:I'm just saying. I'm going with the bra. In my mind, Penny, that's what we're talking about. Just so you know. Especially since you started off with Tiffany. Tiffany, my daughters adore you. You're the reason they think being a smart, funny woman in the industry is normal. Keep shining. Excited, Mark.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, thank you, Penny.
unknown:Okay.
Jay Franze:Grant. Grant said, Country lyrics peaked between 1992 and 1999. Everything else is just polite chaos. Prove me wrong. What's a good lyrical song after he said 99?
Tiffany Mason:I would beg to differ.
Jay Franze:You gotta name one. If you're gonna call Grant.
Tiffany Mason:What's coming to mind is like Garth Brooks of the Thunder Rolls.
Jay Franze:His last name is Mason.
Tiffany Mason:Well, maybe we maybe we have an argument here.
Jay Franze:Sorry, Grant.
Tiffany Mason:Mason versus Mason.
Jay Franze:Is Grant a relative?
Tiffany Mason:No. Um, I'm thinking like, like I say, Garth Brooks and the Thunder Rolls and that whole story, and how many stories similar do we have playing out in country music?
Jay Franze:But and he knows. Garth Brooks falls in that time frame.
Tiffany Mason:Right. But I'm saying lyrically, we have very similar things. So polite chaos, I feel like, comes from Beyoncé being in country music or shabuzi or country club versus traditional country. Discrepancies in people or the genre, not necessarily the lyrics.
Jay Franze:I think if you're gonna tell Grant no, you have to tell me a song that has quality lyrics past 1999. It should be easy for you.
Tiffany Mason:Um I do not think good off my o on my toes. Um the Laney Wilson songs?
Jay Franze:Any of them?
Tiffany Mason:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Somewhere over Laredo?
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. That's not I guess.
Jay Franze:What was the one we said was clever?
Tiffany Mason:Huh?
Jay Franze:What was the one we just recently said was clever? Bar none. Oh, Barnun. Yeah. That was clever.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Clever? Okay, read the comment again.
Jay Franze:Okay. Grant says country lyrics peaked between 1992 and 1999.
Tiffany Mason:Okay, I'm gonna interrupt you and just say he's correct in saying they peaked. But I don't necessarily understand the chaos. Polite chaos.
Jay Franze:Everything else after that is just polite chaos. Prove me wrong.
Tiffany Mason:I I think that he's correct that they peaked in the 90s. But I think we have plenty of good songs that still come out.
Jay Franze:Man, I'm thinking about just songs that I've written, because I've written from before that time frame till now. And I think songs I've written recently lyrically are better than any song that I've written in the past. Now, I'm not saying that I'm, you know, charts between 92 and 99. I'm just saying that there's gotta be other lyricists out there that are the same.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, there's also a Dan and Shea song that's coming to mind.
Jay Franze:Alright, well, let's move on. Otherwise, we could be here all night. We will be here all night arguing about your comments. But thank you. You got us thinking? Marissa. Marissa Tomei. No, man, I wish it was. I wish it was actually, you know what? She's um a little left field these days, but is she a Bostonian? No. No, she's a New Yorker.
unknown:Okay.
Jay Franze:But she's a beautiful, beautiful woman. I've always thought that about her. And she's Italian. And my cousin Vinny, oh my.
Speaker 5:Oh my.
Jay Franze:All right. Marissa. This is Marissa, I'll say Kay.
unknown:Okay.
Tiffany Mason:Keep it discreet, Jay.
Jay Franze:Marissa Kay, period.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, you saw Kerma the Frog.
Jay Franze:Marissa Kay, do you think the loudness war is still a thing? Or are producers finally backing off? Miss Tiffany, do you know what the loudness war is?
Tiffany Mason:Nope. Let me I have to imagine it's where everything is set to the loud, where it's all coming at you.
Jay Franze:Close enough. What happens is back in the day when songs were on the radio, there was no regulation to anything. So what would happen is the DJ would play your song, then they would play my song. And if I can make my song just a hair louder than yours, the listeners' ears will perk up and they will think it's a better song just because it's louder.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, interesting.
Jay Franze:So what happened all the way through and up to the C D, engineers were trying to find ways of making their songs that they worked on louder. Which created this loudness war. Like I can make mine louder than yours. So basically, what happens when you do that is we're taking compression. So we're taking the loudest part of a song and the softest part of the song, and we're taking those dynamics. So if I'm singing really loud and then I go sing really soft, I'm taking those and I'm bringing them closer together. I'm reducing the dynamic range between those two notes.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Jay Franze:By doing that, I can then increase them both up to the loudest possible point. Sure. So now when you hear that song, you're hearing the loud parts still at the same spot they were, but the softer spots are even louder. Which makes the song come across louder overall. And then what people keep doing is at first it was a little bit, and then it was a little bit more, and a little bit more, and a little bit more, and they squash the living hell out of it and throw it up there. So there's no dynamic range whatsoever.
Speaker 7:I don't like that.
Jay Franze:No, and engineers like Bob Bullock and Bob Clearmountain specifically, those two are very wide open mixed engineers. Meaning you want that dynamic range. You want to be taken on that ride. You want at some spots for the singer to just lay into it and scream, and then you want them to whisper and you want to move with that arse. I will say when you're driving in the car, it's kind of hard to hear the nuances. Sure. However, that's what you want from an audiophile's point of view. However, we talk about digital music. CDs would only let us go so far before that music would get distorted. But digital streaming platforms have regulations on what you can do. Yep. It's measured in lufts, and it's typically between negative 14 and negative 16 lufts, so say on average negative 15 lufts, is what everybody is required to meet for Spotify and for Apple.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Jay Franze:And if you meet that, fantastic. Your music is accepted by those platforms, so that way when you play your song and then my song gets played next, they're at the same volume.
Speaker 3:Seems fair.
Jay Franze:It's kind of now taking away that need for the loudness ward. And hopefully that means we are introducing more dynamic range back into our music again, which I would think, like everything else, it's a cycle, and now maybe we'll get to big wide open mixes again.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:So that's one thing. I think the digital streaming platforms, it's one benefit of those platforms. I think that's it.
Tiffany Mason:Okay.
Jay Franze:Thank you for watching.
Tiffany Mason:I enjoyed your commentary. Thank you for sharing.
Jay Franze:Lily. Lily from Ohio. Ohio.
Tiffany Mason:Not too far from you.
Jay Franze:Go blue. Oh, wait. Nope. They don't like that there. Oh. Ohio and Michigan. Big rivals. Buckeyes and Wolverines is the Michigan. So you don't want to say go blue as you're driving through Ohio. It's probably not a good thing.
Tiffany Mason:Get your tires slashed.
Jay Franze:Anyway, Lily from Ohio. Every time y'all do y'all.
unknown:I love it.
Jay Franze:That's come up so much recently, it blows my mind. We talked about it one time on the show, and now all of a sudden I hear y'all everywhere I go.
Tiffany Mason:Part of your reticular activating system.
Jay Franze:Yeah, there you go. Lily from Ohio. Every time y'all do the question of the day, I feel like I'm sitting in the studio with you. It's my favorite way to end the work day. Alyssa, please do a segment on underrated female artists. Have we done something like that before?
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. I thought so.
Jay Franze:I don't know. We'll check it. Big Lou. Big Lou. Isn't there a big Lou from the commercials on the radio about life insurance?
Speaker 5:Not in Florida.
Jay Franze:Oh, I bet you I bet you it is. I guarantee it. You're gonna have to look that up. Big Lou. Anyways, Lou, if this is you, huh? Tell me. I think that would be pretty cool. I don't know why, but I think it'd be pretty cool. Big Lou. I think half the industry forgot that live vocals matter. Now he goes on. Watching some of these stars sing acoustic is just an F and Mess. All right. I like it. You know what, Lou? I think you are the big Lou. That's the same attitude I would get from those commercials.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's not wrong.
Jay Franze:All right, let me move a little faster. Savannah says, I love when you took off the script. Those little moments are what makes the show awesome. All right. Brandon. No, you can take this multiple ways. His name, I'm not giving away anything I shouldn't. Brandon, the bedroom producer. Now your mind went to where my mind went.
Speaker 5:However, does he know Penny?
Jay Franze:We talk Penny and her twins. However, when we talk about music, we talk about bedroom studios. I'm assuming that's what he means. However, probably.
Tiffany Mason:That's probably what it is.
Jay Franze:I like the other way better. How much of a modern country record is actually recorded in Nashville studios versus remote home setups now? Has the workflow really changed that much? Yes. Bedroom producer. That makes more sense. I think we discussed it briefly the other day. I think the majority of the basic tracks are recorded in the big studios in Nashville, and then everything else is recorded in some sort of home setup or small production studio somewhere. It is unfortunate, but I think that's the way it is. And I think with the addition of AI and all of the other artificial instruments becoming extremely realistic sounding, we're going to end up having more of that.
Tiffany Mason:Or not even in home, just on desktop. On desktop.
Jay Franze:There you go. Lila? L I L A? Yep. Lila. Look at that. I got one right. When you're producing new artists, what's the biggest rookie mistake you see? Is it performance, song choice, overthinking, or is it all of the above? I think the biggest mistake that new artists make is that they feel like they know everything. Or they're not open to advice from the people who have been doing it for years. They think because they've they've been a fan of music, they think that they're very familiar with what they want or what they need or what's possible and they don't want to vary too much. Even though they say they do, they don't. To me, that's what it would be. Just have an open mind. Let the you know, studio musicians do what they're there for. You know, let that stuff happen.
Tiffany Mason:In editing, there's a lady who was saying that she goes to a lot of conferences and she goes to the conferences, even if she knows the topic, because she just wants to find where the gaps are, where her knowledge gaps are. And so I think it would be the same thing for the budding artists, that they would just, you know, try to absorb as much as they can, take what you like, discard the rest, but don't be a no at all.
unknown:Yeah.
Jay Franze:I like the way you say that too, because that's something that I do a lot is I listen to shows that if I read the title and it's something that I already feel like I know, I still listen to it because I want to, you know, see if there's gaps that could be filled in or that type of stuff. I so I agree a hundred percent. Yes, to me, don't be a no at all. Just go in there with an open mind and you know, take the advice of those who've been there before. Okay. Kendall. Jay, has anyone told you that your voice sounds like dripped bourbon in velvet? Asking for a friend.
Speaker 3:Oh Kendall.
Jay Franze:What do you wear?
Speaker 3:Oh God. Do not curse this man. He'll take you to hide in the cheat.
Jay Franze:Let's see the smoke signals. Or shall we make some smoke of our own, if you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:Oh snap.
Jay Franze:Babe, if you're listening, it's just a joke. Kendall doesn't mean it. She's just playing along. Hunter. Hunter says, country collabs are getting out of control. Not every song needs three guests of DJ and a motivational speaker. Hunter, you win question of the night or comment of the night.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Jay Franze:Oh, that's awesome. If there was a category, you would win it for sure. That's my favorite motivational speaker. Rhonda, just wanted to say thank you. This show feels warm, real, and human. We're not AI yet.
Tiffany Mason:Well, we've been toying with it, so maybe in a couple weeks we'll sit one out.
Jay Franze:We've asked Alex to chime in here or there, but yeah. Marcus. Marcus says, Jay, love how you guide artists into telling you stories they didn't plan to share. It's a gift. Thank you.
Tiffany Mason:I think when you interview somebody and you make a genuine connection, it lets them put their guard down and they can like recall stories that normally they would be like too uptight or too nervous about. But like you're able to get them into like kind of the flow or whatever. And then like, oh yeah, that makes me think of this. Oh yeah, you know, I want to share that.
Jay Franze:All right. So because I'm a wise ass, they're willing if you're gathered. All right. Jordan says, Tiffany, you keep the conversation grounded. Appreciate you.
Speaker 3:Oh, how do you know he has country accents?
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Wow, thank you very much, Jordan.
Jay Franze:Jordan, no last name.
Speaker 3:Good for him. He's a quick study. He knows better.
Jay Franze:Oh, you know, if nothing else, I love you guys. Absolutely. Honky Tonk Professor. You've been here before, thank you. I appreciate it and I like the the handle. If Nashville puts out one more flavor of the month, ignoring real writers, I'm forming a union. Y'all are the only show that gives true storytellers a voice. Okay.
Speaker 5:Very sweet.
Jay Franze:And last but not least, Shauna. I didn't even ask. Shauna.
Tiffany Mason:Proud of you sounded it out without me.
Jay Franze:Tried. This show makes me feel like I'm part of the crew. Please never lose that mix of heart, humor, In honesty.
Tiffany Mason:It's you are part of the crew.
Jay Franze:Is she though? Did she pass the initiation? Did she walk across glass? I don't know.
Speaker 3:Next is the hazing.
Jay Franze:Oh, mercy me. What do we have going on this week, my friend?
Tiffany Mason:Well, my mother-in-law has been here since a couple days before Thanksgiving, and she's sadly leaving tomorrow. It's been nice to have her around.
Jay Franze:That's not what you're saying earlier. Earlier you were saying I can't wait for her to get out.
Tiffany Mason:I would never say that about her. I love her. And my husband turned 50. No, sorry, on Sunday. He turns 50. And we celebrated 25 years of being married.
Jay Franze:See now. I was just gonna say, how does it feel to be a 25-year-old married to a 50-year-old, but you just ruined that?
Speaker 3:I know. Yeah.
Jay Franze:Married at birth. I was born into it.
Tiffany Mason:You know, those songs are.
Jay Franze:Explain the three arms. I don't know. Do you know that they're trying to make marrying your first cousin legal?
Tiffany Mason:It's so redunculous.
Jay Franze:Have you met my cousin?
Tiffany Mason:Well, it's no, I haven't, but it's stupid because it can cause birth defects.
Jay Franze:I have a lot of hot cousins.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah, well, your chances your your pool may be opening wider.
Jay Franze:Nope. Oh, my Joey is pretty cute. All right. All right. Well, my friend.
Speaker 5:What do you have going on, Jay?
Jay Franze:This past Monday, you blew me off, and I interviewed a gentleman named Corey Hooker. I did this on my own.
Tiffany Mason:Oh, you mean the night of my anniversary? What did you do on your anniversary, Jay?
Jay Franze:I went to see. Who'd I go to see? Um Jason Bottom. Jason Bonham. Like everybody does on their anniversary. I don't know what my wife did, but you know, that's what I did. I'll never live it down, I'm sure. From you. Anywho, I interviewed a gentleman named Cory Hooker from Corey Hooker and the Cadillac Preachers.
Speaker 6:Yes, I'm excited to check the interview out.
Jay Franze:It actually released today. If you want to go check it out, you can.
Speaker 6:I just told you I want to. I know.
Jay Franze:I'm talking to everybody else.
Speaker 6:Well, nobody cares about you. Okay.
Jay Franze:But he was a great guy to talk to. He's very interesting. And the show went on for the the full hour.
Speaker 5:Uh-huh.
Jay Franze:And then afterwards we stayed on for about another hour and a half. I should have just kept it recording the whole time because the conversation was a little deeper, a little bit funnier in some cases. But it was very cool. He was a great guy to talk to. And get this, he's gonna be playing in my area on Saturday.
Speaker 5:Oh, nice.
Jay Franze:Nice, huh?
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Think I could go? No. Uh-uh. Oh. My kids have dance recitals this weekend.
Tiffany Mason:Okay. Well, consider yourself lucky you got to see him once.
Jay Franze:That's true. Now, to be fair, he's playing twice on Saturday. He's playing at 6 o'clock and again at 9 o'clock. My kids' dance recitals are at 3 o'clock and 7 o'clock.
Tiffany Mason:Seems like there's a time conflict there.
Jay Franze:So I don't know. Do you think I get in trouble for going before or leaving early?
Tiffany Mason:Which one do you think I get in trouble for? I think you could leave early.
Jay Franze:You think so? See how well that goes. No, I will not do that to my children. I care about them. Right?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Jay Franze:Well, yeah, no, all three of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Jay Franze:Had to think about it for a minute. You never know.
Tiffany Mason:Any given day it could change.
Jay Franze:Yeah, that's true. All right. Well, we shall crash.
Speaker 7:All right. I'm ready to crash it.
Jay Franze:Alright, folks. We have done it. We've reached top of the hour, top of hour number two, which does mean we have reached the end of the show. If you've enjoyed the show, please tell a friend. We say it a lot. Please tell a friend. Tell two, tell three, tell four. Miss Tiffany. Huh? I kind of stole it a little bit there.
Tiffany Mason:I know. But if you didn't like it, then just tell two or three. Tell more.
Jay Franze:Tell more of them.
Tiffany Mason:Yeah. Complain about us. They say once you get haters online, that's how you know you've made it.
Jay Franze:I don't know if I want a hater.
Tiffany Mason:I know. I don't want to hate.
Jay Franze:I like our crew.
Tiffany Mason:I did too.
Jay Franze:We hate on them. I'd love not war. They're nice to us.
Tiffany Mason:It's true.
Jay Franze:Sounds like an abusive relationship. When you say it like that, it sounds all sorts of wrong. All right. If you've enjoyed tonight's show, please tell a friend, Miss Tiffany. If you have not, tell two. Tell two. You can reach out to both of us over at jfranzi.com. We will be happy to keep this or any other conversation going. You can also find our socials. You can find it all over at jfranzie.com. J-A-Y-F-R-A-N-Z E dot com. Miss Tiffany, do you have any final words for us?
Tiffany Mason:Yes, we're wrapping up. But before we go, thank you, crew members. Thank you for your time, your energy, and your ears. Have a great week, and we'll be back with more next week.
Jay Franze:On that note, folks, have a good night. Thanks for listening to the Jay Franzi Show. Make sure you visit us at JFranzi.com. Follow, connect, and stable.
